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Old 2017-03-20, 22:03   Link #21
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Lets be a bit more realistic. I would bet a rather large amount of money that they will NEVER have decent amount of Japanese webnovels.
Setting original english novels aside, there is really no reason for them to publish the Japanese ones.
Firstly they make much more profit from Chinese novels (as they are kind of the owners of them, or at least have much easier time negotiating). Secondly they are gonna build their audience around the Chinese novel style and thus reduce the benefits from incorporating Japanese ones. Thirdly big companies tend to hold back in trying new things unless the profit gainable seems really big (which isn't the case for Japanese novels on this site). And lastly if they are at least a bit patriotic or have some ties with China's goverment (which they most likely do), then they will push Chinese culture and Chinese literature (with some sidekick english one to lure more people) and while Korean might be still bearable, the aversion to Japanese culture would be great (yeah, Chinese and Japanese like each other sooo much).

As for why Hentaiga's complaining, it's because Chinese company overtook Japanese ones and gained the most prominent domain name in this business (for english speaking audience). Now they are gonna push for branding web novels to be the Chinese ones (contrary to animesuki where web novel is almost equal to Japanese web novel).And also because someone has the guts to celebrate this major defeat of something, for which this whole subforum has been created... can't say I don't share his feelings.
In China, Tencent bought a lot of Japanese anime/manga and Japanese light novels copyrights.

The recent boom in anime has a lot to do with Chinese companies buying copyrights for streaming.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...n-anime-market
Ninja Naruto Leads Tencent's March into China's $31 Billion Anime




As whether webnovel.com will buy some Japanese web novels copyrights, we will see in the future. It's not expensive at all ($2000 per book according to J-Novel Club) and webnovel.com could use it to attract "new" readers to the website.


Anyway, it's just a freaking domain name. It's not like readers are stupid and think that only Chinese write web novels.

If movies fans go to www.movies.com, would they think that only American makes movies?
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Old 2017-03-20, 23:06   Link #22
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seen the site itself, the lay out and interface. it's okay i guess, they already show that they are not interested to get into otaku/anime enthusiast market. the market share they are going to aim/target are normies.

btw, any porn or erotica yet there ?
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Old 2017-03-21, 04:45   Link #23
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So basically the title of topic is quite misleading, since i do not see any fantasy novels on this site (at least i didn't read but watched only tags), so I mean in chinese qidian there are any fantasy novels, or they are only typical chinese novels which after reading dozen I get's a problem to distinguish each other seem most of them does not contain any original ideas.

ps. I know only one novel from qidian that can be called fantasy, and they do not have it on website.
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Old 2017-03-21, 05:27   Link #24
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So basically the title of topic is quite misleading, since i do not see any fantasy novels on this site (at least i didn't read but watched only tags), so I mean in chinese qidian there are any fantasy novels, or they are only typical chinese novels which after reading dozen I get's a problem to distinguish each other seem most of them does not contain any original ideas.

ps. I know only one novel from qidian that can be called fantasy, and they do not have it on website.
The title isn't misleading since it's a fact that Qidian is the biggest fantasy publisher in the world (revenue, fantasy authors income, number of fantasy books published, readership etc..)

Yearly revenue: It is #1 fantasy publisher
# of fantasy novels published each year: It is #1 fantasy publisher
# of royalties paid to fantasy authors: It is #1 fantasy publisher

Tencent wouldn't buy a web novel website for $747 million USD if it doesn't generate a lot of money and have a large readership.
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Old 2017-03-21, 07:24   Link #25
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The title isn't misleading since it's a fact that Qidian is the biggest fantasy publisher in the world (revenue, fantasy authors income, number of fantasy books published, readership etc..)

Yearly revenue: It is #1 fantasy publisher
# of fantasy novels published each year: It is #1 fantasy publisher
# of royalties paid to fantasy authors: It is #1 fantasy publisher

Tencent wouldn't buy a web novel website for $747 million USD if it doesn't generate a lot of money and have a large readership.
In EU snails are treated as fishes which doesn't make them a fish.

So if I see someone telling me that xianxia is fantasy i would tell that is the bullshit, since I'm yet to see any fantasy elements in xianxia (but consider that for me fantasy should have it's own lore like LOTR has Silmarillion not something that we add immortals and that we call fantasy). So if you wanted to persuade me that the title is right you should just do that by making a list of fantasy works on qidian, or there is lack of those? (And this would be answer on my question if we can see on this site any fantasy novels in future?)
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Old 2017-03-21, 07:35   Link #26
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I'm checking the webnovel.com again to check the one with highest rating...

And lol...

All novels got full 5 ratings

All of them

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Old 2017-03-21, 07:47   Link #27
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I'm checking the webnovel.com again to check the one with highest rating...

And lol...

All novels got full 5 ratings

All of them

You either get 5 in rankings or stay without the food
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Old 2017-03-21, 09:43   Link #28
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In EU snails are treated as fishes which doesn't make them a fish.

So if I see someone telling me that xianxia is fantasy i would tell that is the bullshit, since I'm yet to see any fantasy elements in xianxia (but consider that for me fantasy should have it's own lore like LOTR has Silmarillion not something that we add immortals and that we call fantasy). So if you wanted to persuade me that the title is right you should just do that by making a list of fantasy works on qidian, or there is lack of those? (And this would be answer on my question if we can see on this site any fantasy novels in future?)
If Xianxia and Xuanhuan are not fantasy, I don't know what is. Fantasy perfectly defines xianxia/xuanhuan genre. Saying that only LOTR and the likes are fantasy is very narrowed minded and snobbish.

Nowhere does it say a novel has to be like LOTR in order to be considered as fantasy:

Fantasy is a fiction genre set in an imaginary universe, often but not always without any locations, events, or people from the real world. Most fantasy uses magic or other supernatural elements as a main plot element, theme, or setting. Magic and magical creatures are common in many of these imaginary worlds. Fantasy is generally distinguished from the genres of science fiction and horror by the expectation that it steers clear of scientific and macabre themes, respectively, though there is a great deal of overlap among the three, all of which are subgenres of speculative fiction.
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Old 2017-03-21, 09:47   Link #29
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I'm checking the webnovel.com again to check the one with highest rating...

And lol...

All novels got full 5 ratings

All of them

The site is still in beta.

https://www.reddit.com/r/noveltransl...international/

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Old 2017-03-21, 10:40   Link #30
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If Xianxia and Xuanhuan are not fantasy, I don't know what is. Fantasy perfectly defines xianxia/xuanhuan genre. Saying that only LOTR and the likes are fantasy is very narrowed minded and snobbish.

Nowhere does it say a novel has to be like LOTR in order to be considered as fantasy:

Fantasy is a fiction genre set in an imaginary universe, often but not always without any locations, events, or people from the real world. Most fantasy uses magic or other supernatural elements as a main plot element, theme, or setting. Magic and magical creatures are common in many of these imaginary worlds. Fantasy is generally distinguished from the genres of science fiction and horror by the expectation that it steers clear of scientific and macabre themes, respectively, though there is a great deal of overlap among the three, all of which are subgenres of speculative fiction.

I said for me, some might to not agree with me, but i do not consider urban fantasy as a fantasy sub genre, since they are lacking world building, and I didn't said that fantasy should be LOTR to be considered, but LOTR is the best example since it has created it's own universe with it's own beliefs, legend, culture etc. whilst the typical xianxia doesn't have any of it in themselves, it just pure wish fulfillment of authors without any background.

And as I said even if we call snails fish we still get snail, so it doesn't matter for me if we categorize xianxia to fantasy genre since it's only words not backed by any content.

Also i ask third time is there be any "proper" fantasy novel on this site, or it would be dedicated to only xianxia and similar novels, since if it would be some fantasy genre on this site i would like to support since it official translation.
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Old 2017-03-21, 10:43   Link #31
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We've got stories from numerous genres, including Xianxia, Xuanhuan, Wuxia and Western Fantasy, all ready for you to dive straight into. All of our stories have been chosen with utmost care to ensure that all of you readers will be able to find something you’ll love.
Qidian themselves make distinction between Xianxia and Western Fantasy though?
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Old 2017-03-21, 10:56   Link #32
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No Release That witch?? I don't interested then.
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Old 2017-03-21, 13:35   Link #33
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Adding to the snails train I would also add, that Catholic church might have made much more bread than any company and they might have the longest tradition, but I have yet to hear anyone calling them Bakers #1. In the same way just selling most fantasy books does not make Quidan... lets drop it.

It also might be worth mentioning, that the site itself is naming 3 Chinese web novel genres (that I have no idea what means what) with Western Fantasy added in the end (you know, someone might like it, so lets add it), but I don't think Japan is so far to the west, nor has it been bought out by China (for the time being), so the statement about Japanese novels seem... unprobable.

On the bright side, since I can't read Chinese, but can read Japanese, the current arrangement is rather handy for me. If I ever find in myself the will to read any Chinese novel, it is gonna be much easier... I would have to find some interesting one (which might be hard as I like fantasy with LOTS of fantasy elements).
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Old 2017-03-21, 14:59   Link #34
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I said for me, some might to not agree with me, but i do not consider urban fantasy as a fantasy sub genre, since they are lacking world building, and I didn't said that fantasy should be LOTR to be considered, but LOTR is the best example since it has created it's own universe with it's own beliefs, legend, culture etc. whilst the typical xianxia doesn't have any of it in themselves, it just pure wish fulfillment of authors without any background.
This has got to be one of the most elitist things I've heard in a while. Urban fantasy and xianxia perfectly fit into any rational category of fantasy. Many urban fantasy and xianxia novels have excellent world building.

There's more to fantasy than high fantasy, you know?
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Old 2017-03-21, 15:25   Link #35
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No Release That witch?? I don't interested then.
If they actually dare to take a novel that is as popular as RTW and already has 200+ HTLed chapters to boot, the readers are gonna screw them over.

Anyway most of the current series Qi Int has seem dull (not including the ones that were already being TLed by fan translators)... for now at least.

However "Forty Millenniums of Cultivation" (lacks the usual cliched troupes and has intelligent antagonists) and "The Sacred Ruins" (I've heard that it's the author's best series as of yet) are good.

Also "Library of Heaven's Path" has good comedy.

P.S. - For those who are checking out the novels, don't bother reading "Immortal Mortal"... unless you are a masochist.

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Old 2017-03-21, 15:42   Link #36
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Once Upon A Time, There Was A Spirit Sword Mountain, which was adapted into an anime is good too.
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Old 2017-03-21, 15:44   Link #37
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Once Upon A Time, There Was A Spirit Sword Mountain, which was adapted into an anime is good too.
I've heard about it but I dunno how good it is though. The anime wasn't done well enough due to shitty DEEN.
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I've heard about it but I dunno how good it is though. The anime wasn't done well enough due to shitty DEEN.
True, but if you watch it along with the manga then it covers some points the manga doesn't.
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Old 2017-03-21, 15:48   Link #39
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True, but if you watch it along with the manga then it covers some points the manga doesn't.
Hmm I see. In that case, I'll wait for a few hundred chapters to pile up and then binge read it.
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Old 2017-03-22, 17:24   Link #40
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No Release That witch?? I don't interested then.
RtW's author is show at the bottom of their website along with various other authors.
They look like they intend to translate it. Just not any time soon.

Unless that list is completely pointless.
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