Ore no Imouto (Season Two) - Episode 14-16 [Series End] Discussion / Poll

[Chiibi]

I'll add in....if anyone remembers, at the end of the very first episode where Kirino asks Kyousuke how he enjoyed the imouto dating sim, as he talks about it, his voice gets very soft when he goes over the details...something like "........and then they're gazing into the sunset and..." like he was honestly touched by the romance, even though it was bro and sis.

Perhaps this was also a subtle hint? The mood between him and Kirino in this scene also felt a little bit...and I remember the thought that briefly flashed in my head "Hm...are they actually going for.....!?" then "........nah, couldn't be!"
how naive was I?
It felt a good deal like foreshadowing.

[zoolanderbr]

Hi everybody, o'm sorry about my bad english (i'm from Brazil), the ending of anime is the same of light novel? In Light Novel Kirino and Kyousuke break up and turn only brother and sister?

I wish they still together in the future but dating =/

has any rumor about ova in future with this?


If anyone can answer me thank you.

[GVN.Chaos]

They agreed to break up in both LN and anime. How exactly are they follow the agreement is up to debate . Most of Kirino's fanbase agree that nothing changed

[Akito Kinomoto]

Originally Posted by relentlessflame

The final sign was actually in Episode 12... but it's cryptic on purpose, and often missed because people were so focused on Ayase and her subsequent rejection. The important thing was to notice was how strong of a motivator being reunited with Kirino was for him. Even though Ayase was with him the whole time, and even though he still had things to resolve with Kuroneko, Kirino is the person who he's thinking of and "fighting for". And it's the context of that separation and his realization that he doesn't want to be parted from her again that he realizes the true nature of his feelings. (Absence makes the heart grow fonder?)

Originally Posted by Soverence

I would have to agree with you as well on that point, after that whole affair Kyousuke's actions around Kirino do change a little which we can see when he is forced to leave the house to study. I feel like it is around then that he starts to realize his feelings. Although you could also argue he started to fall for her as early as the Season 1 OVA where he literally went half way around the world to get her cause he was lonely without her. The inner monologue he has when watching Kirino race against that girl (I forget her name) also starts to suggest he might have some actual feelings for her. The main reason we don't ever get that Silver Romance Bullet is in order to build up suspense for the finally when he finally does confess, that way no one knows who he is going to confess to.

The thing about subtle character development is that there's supposed to be a gradual change from start to finish but Kyousuke counts to five with his world trip and the fake boyfriend and jumps to ten during his confession. And the deliberate vagueness on Kyousuke's feelings is pointless anyway since traveling all the way to America is a tall order in and of itself. For the trail of mudprints Kyousuke might have behind him, his shoes are awfully clean.

[relentlessflame]

Originally Posted by Akito Kinomoto

The thing about subtle character development is that there's supposed to be a gradual change from start to finish but Kyousuke counts to five with his world trip and the fake boyfriend and jumps to ten during his confession. And the deliberate vagueness on Kyousuke's feelings is pointless anyway since traveling all the way to America is a tall order in and of itself. For the trail of mudprints Kyousuke might have behind him, his shoes are awfully clean.

That's a matter of perspective. I would argue that the entire story from start to finish follows the progression of Kyousuke's feelings towards Kirino. The exact final form his feelings would take was not clear, and this was one of the questions that propelled the story ("will they or won't they?"). But the journey itself is traced throughout the whole work as a linear, gradual progression.

That doesn't mean that there aren't also other relationships that progressed throughout the series as well. If there were not, there would not have been any mystery or suspense about the destination, and that was a major factor that built hype/interest in the narrative.

[takai]

I honestly don't know what to think about the ending. I have so many mixed emotions about it.

I've been following this show for the past 3 years, and it was one of the first shows that got me back into anime to being with. So it'll always have a special place in my heart.

But this ending, it felt like we were just stolen from, and there's nothing we could do about it. I feel like it wasted our time by doing the no girl ending. I mean, what's the point if they even do this option? We had it, right there. But then they "broke up". Just felt like a bitch slap to the face to me. Especially as a Kirino fan.

It felt like a cop out due to that Japanese law against incest-related material. And it just upsets me.

I may have to re-watch it and let it sink in a bit more before I can give it it's final score. But I still imagined a better ending than this. I hate how we have to "assume" what happens next.

[relentlessflame]

Originally Posted by takai

But this ending, it felt like we were just stolen from, and there's nothing we could do about it. I feel like it wasted our time by doing the no girl ending. I mean, what's the point if they even do this option? We had it, right there. But then they "broke up". Just felt like a bitch slap to the face to me. Especially as a Kirino fan.

It felt like a cop out due to that Japanese law against incest-related material. And it just upsets me.

Since I'm guessing someone else will say it if I don't (and it'll just repeat old comments), I'd encourage you to read over this thread if you have time for more perspectives to consider about the ending.

[takai]

Originally Posted by relentlessflame

Since I'm guessing someone else will say it if I don't (and it'll just repeat old comments), I'd encourage you to read over this thread if you have time for more perspectives to consider about the ending.

I actually have a few longer ones open in tabs, which I plan to get to soon. Like the novel explanation by Sigup which I've already read half way through. It's made me feel a bit better.

But like I said, I plan to let it sink in some more, maybe watch it again, and read some more comments about it before giving the final score.

[frivolity]

Spoiler for Comparison to Akane-iro ni Somaru Saka:

A weird feeling of deja vu has been bugging me ever since I watched the 3 episodes yesterday. It was only today that I finally realised where I seem to have seen and felt all this before.

Does anyone remember Akane-iro ni Somaru Saka from a few years ago? The main characters of both series share a few similarities, but what really strikes me is that the ending left me with pretty much the same feeling.

[Densetsuhakai]

Originally Posted by frivolity

Spoiler for Comparison to Akane-iro ni Somaru Saka:

A weird feeling of deja vu has been bugging me ever since I watched the 3 episodes yesterday. It was only today that I finally realised where I've seen and felt all this before.

Does anyone remember Akane-iro ni Somaru Saka from a few years ago? The main characters of both series share a few similarities, but what really strikes me is that the ending left me with pretty much the same feeling.

Spoiler for Comparison to Akane-iro ni Somaru Saka:

That's not fair dude.
Akane-iro Somaru Saka was a piece of sh.. The story build up to the one rich tsundere girl but suddenly change to the non-blood related sister in the last 1-2 episodes.
Oreimo at least had signs all over the series.

[relentlessflame]

Originally Posted by Densetsuhakai

Spoiler for Comparison to Akane-iro ni Somaru Saka:

That's not fair dude.
Akane-iro Somaru Saka was a piece of sh.. The story build up to the one rich tsundere girl but suddenly change to the non-blood related sister in the last 1-2 episodes.
Oreimo at least had signs all over the series.

Spoiler for Comparison to Akane-iro ni Somaru Saka:

Yeah, I sort of have to agree there. Kirino was clearly at the center of this work since the beginning, so regardless of the romantic destination the story on the whole completes the premise set-up at the beginning, and you can track the clear development of that theme along the way. The problem I had with the Akane-iro anime was just as you said: the romantic interest got very little focus or development until they did the switch, so even though Minato was supposedly the girl he loved all this time, we know less about her than we do about Yuuhi. It was like they didn't really have to demonstrate any romantic build-up because it all happened off-screen in the past. Well, and, in the end they kind of bring Yuuhi back anyway.

It frustrated me because I actually liked both Yuuhi and Minato's routes in the game (and would have been happy if they had chosen either route), but the way the anime was developed wasn't satisfying to me.

[Densetsuhakai]

Originally Posted by relentlessflame

Spoiler for Comparison to Akane-iro ni Somaru Saka:

Yeah, I sort of have to agree there. Kirino was clearly at the center of this work since the beginning, so regardless of the romantic destination the story on the whole completes the premise set-up at the beginning, and you can track the clear development of that theme along the way. The problem I had with the Akane-iro anime was just as you said: the romantic interest got very little focus or development until they did the switch, so even though Minato was supposedly the girl he loved all this time, we know less about her than we do about Yuuhi. It was like they didn't really have to demonstrate any romantic build-up because it all happened off-screen in the past. Well, and, in the end they kind of bring Yuuhi back anyway.

It frustrated me because I actually liked both Yuuhi and Minato's routes in the game (and would have been happy if they had chosen either route), but the way the anime was developed wasn't satisfying to me.

Spoiler for Comparison to Akane-iro ni Somaru Saka:

Yeah, that Anime was poorly done.What I don't understand is why they changed the focus to the sister?Why don't go Yuuhi route till the end?It felt like in the beginning they decided that they will go for the Yuuhi route but suddenly someone decided to just go the other direction and erveryone were okay with this dumb decision.

But the best part of this dumb Anime were the secret agent parents.What the hell was that for? xD

Well,Oreimo did the job way better than Akane-iro ni Somaru Saka.

[relentlessflame]

Back again on the subject of the ending and how to interpret it, another point to consider is also the ending of Episode 15 and Kirino's recordings to herself. Particularly:

How can I stop this from ending in failure?
How do I make my dream come true?
How can I make him love me?
What do I need to do to be with him forever?

Consider that at the point when they listen to this, when Kirino and Kyousuke both yell out "Leave it to me!" in unison, they had already long-since agreed to their plan that executed at the end of the Episode 16. So basically their answer on how they could be together in love forever was, perhaps ironically, to just act like normal siblings. (Whether they ever acted like normal siblings in the first place is another matter, as mentioned by Kuroneko at the café, and suggested again by the epilogue.)

[Densetsuhakai]

Originally Posted by relentlessflame

Back again on the subject of the ending and how to interpret it, another point to consider is also the ending of Episode 15 and Kirino's recordings to herself. Particularly:



Consider that at the point when they listen to this, when Kirino and Kyousuke both yell out "Leave it to me!" in unison, they had already long-since agreed to their plan that executed at the end of the Episode 16. So basically their answer on how they could be together in love forever was, perhaps ironically, to just act like normal siblings. (Whether they ever acted like normal siblings in the first place is another matter, as mentioned by Kuroneko at the café, and suggested again by the epilogue.)

Yeah, that's a nice theory. Another thing is that I believe that there is no way that Kyousuke will really return to be just a brother to Kirino after hearing this recording. At this point Kyousuke finally realise what Kirino had gone through all this years. It was always her wish to get him to love her and to marry him etc. Now that this finally happened Kyousuke will not just go back to point zero. I just can't believe that.

[GVN.Chaos]

Originally Posted by relentlessflame

Back again on the subject of the ending and how to interpret it, another point to consider is also the ending of Episode 15 and Kirino's recordings to herself. Particularly:



Consider that at the point when they listen to this, when Kirino and Kyousuke both yell out "Leave it to me!" in unison, they had already long-since agreed to their plan that executed at the end of the Episode 16. So basically their answer on how they could be together in love forever was, perhaps ironically, to just act like normal siblings. (Whether they ever acted like normal siblings in the first place is another matter, as mentioned by Kuroneko at the café, and suggested again by the epilogue.)

Allow me to add my point too: what exactly is their definition of 'normal sibling' ? . At least the epilogue showed that Kyousuke's definition included 'kissing the other', while Kirino didn't

[type-R!]

Originally Posted by GVN.Chaos

Allow me to add my point too: what exactly is their definition of 'normal sibling' ? . At least the epilogue showed that Kyousuke's definition included 'kissing the other', while Kirino didn't

Well actually Kyousuke said so because of a previous event with Kirino right before he kisses her. But still, I'm pretty sure they don't hold a common definition for normal siblings aymore . It might actually prove very difficult for them at times to keep acting normal.

[GVN.Chaos]

Originally Posted by type-R!

Well actually Kyousuke said so because of a previous event with Kirino right before he kisses her. But still, I'm pretty sure they don't hold a common definition for normal siblings aymore . It might actually prove very difficult for them at times to keep acting normal.

And that's the 'life counseling' come in handy : Make a things-normal-siblings-do list

[Marcus H.]

Allow me to add my point too: what exactly is their definition of 'normal sibling' ?

I feel like this is a troll, but to me, "normal siblings" to me are their relationship before the life consultation.

[Densetsuhakai]

Originally Posted by Marcus H.

I feel like this is a troll, but to me, "normal siblings" to me are their relationship before the life consultation.

lol that wasn't normal.I know siblings are tend to fight each other but this was way to extrem. I mean they just lived in the same house. That was the only connection they had. This isn't what siblings are supposed to be.

[Haiprbim]

Originally Posted by Densetsuhakai

lol that wasn't normal.I know siblings are tend to fight each other but this was way to extrem. I mean they just lived in the same house. That was the only connection they had. This isn't what siblings are supposed to be.

You might want to rethink that statement.
It sure isn't supposed to be that way, but in many cases in real life, it is. Friends are also understood as way better connection than siblings, which OreImo series are trying to deny at all cost.