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Isn't it a bit too conveniant, that the new enemies always somehow are very close in terms of skill level, or at least at one where the protagonist is "just at the last moment" able to match the new villain? Example: Imagine in Dragon Ball that someone like Cell or Majin Boo appeard, before Goku defeated Radditz... I know, I know, there would be no story and this does not just apply to anime, but it is annoying nontheless, don't you agree?
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And there will always be at least some people who will think of you as a "manchild" just because "you often go play ball with your kids at a park exclusively for children". Can you blame them? Not sure on what basis you're saying that "it's potentially true", since that statement has been proven false many and many times already by plentiful of unbiased studies on the subject.
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2013-04-12, 15:55 | Link #547 | |
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2013-04-12, 16:51 | Link #548 | |
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Why go to a kids' park just to play with your kids, when you could go out with your oh-so-many adult mates after all?
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2013-04-12, 17:05 | Link #549 |
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I hate fan bashing. People often use it to indirectly bash a show instead of criticizing it on its own merits.
It's a typical tactic of the intellectually dishonest that are not able to stand on their merits, so they'd rather cowardly strike out strawmen. Indeed, you will see people write loads of tl;dr bs about how an anime appeals to hairy unwashed otaku while just slightly implying that anyone that shares the same interest must be correlated to it. As if their points were self-evident to begin with. A contains elements of Z B contains elements of Z Therefore A = B In case you failed logic class, this isn't true. Also, I see a difference between my perception that certain writers and studios treat the fans in a condescending fashionas if they were stupid, as opposed to the fans actually being stupid. And that being said would be what I hate the most-- if I ever get that perception on a show, it usually dies on me very fast.
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2013-04-12, 23:04 | Link #551 | |
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I've done rounds with people who think that DBZ characters worked exclusively on plot armor. I give DBZ credit because when their characters want to be more powerful, they actually train their minds and bodies for it. This is the one thing that always bothered me about the way people talk about the show. If you really take the time to look back at the DBZ series, I'd wager that far more than a quarter of all its episodes involve characters training their skills in some way. I hate it when people treat it as the poster child for characters who use plot armor and other writer tricks to gain power. They're thinking of Bleach.
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2013-04-12, 23:14 | Link #552 |
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When we are talking about THE most powerful anime characters in history (modern action anime MC's can't claim of annihilating ENTIRE planets without breaking a sweat), you can expect a lot of "plot armor" accusations".
To execute training arcs properly, great care should be taken in showing the progress of the character's training. It may feel cheap if the character suddenly takes down the opponent in one shot (this is probably what Bleach is notorious for), and TOO LONG battles can bore the audience to death (which was the problem for Dragon Ball and One Piece). And speaking of One Piece, I think this is one of the shows where they did a badass MC right (unlike a certain black swordsman). The Straw Hats become stronger and stronger, but they still can't beat the top tier characters all of a sudden; they have to train hard for that. Sure, battles are still long and drawn-out, but I never called cheap on any of One Piece's battles. As for a noob MC defeating an experienced villain, there's the saying that goes, "The fool should not fear you because he doesn't know what you can do, you should fear the fool because you don't know what he can do." |
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I'm required to give a bit of love to Fairy Tail on this note as well. For all my love of the series, I have to admit that the characters do tend to plot armor their way through life a bit. On the flip side though, I give the series a lot of credit because the characters also distinguish themselves by using actual intelligence (yeah, they use their brains from time to time. I know, right?!) to win battles. So where the series has a lacking in character power development, it sort of makes up for it in giving the characters reasoning skills and the ability to actually adapt in battle. To the credit of the characters, they also tend to be aware of their own shortcomings and work to overcome them either on the spot, or over time. While the series may not have much character training, the progression is still implied in one way or another, and the author often recreates a scene from the past in the present climate of the series with a different outcome to show that the characters have indeed become stronger.
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2013-04-12, 23:31 | Link #554 |
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Is it safe to say that Fairy Tail took a different character development route than one would usually expect from an action series?
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Where Fairy Tail really shines is the continuously evolving plot. One thing I do hate about anime that this provides a great segue for, is that there are a lot of anime that use the "story arc" format without really integrating it into the main plot. Just because the characters are getting involved in a sort of an episodic arc of plot, it doesn't mean that the plot can't be related to the overall story. I've seen that outside of fillers before, and it's just ugly. Ultimately you should almost never have sections of your plot that can be discarded. Even if the role it plays is very small, every arc should really reflect on the life of the characters, the world, or the primary plot.
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2013-04-13, 00:16 | Link #556 |
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OTOH, it became apparent that Kishi LOVES the Uchiha clan, so he made Sharingan as powerful as possible, and that ticked a lot of people (me included).
If you're going to buff a certain ability, make sure it stays consistent within the story universe. Case in point: The Great Snake Escape. At least Naruto and the gang worked hard to be what they are now, even though the Kyuubi's power can be plot armor-worthy at times. |
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Which I frankly think is a totally illegitimate way to go about things. It would be like calling Star Trek trash just because some of the most hardcore Trekkies cross the line sometimes and get a bit too obsessed with it. I'm sympathetic to people who just don't like moe. Or who just don't life "fluff". But arguing that an anime show is trash just because you dislike its target audience is really intellectually lazy, let alone intellectually dishonest.
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2013-04-13, 03:39 | Link #559 | |
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I got Tales of Vesperia in from Gamefly (yes it's a video game. It's called a segue, sheesh) and it made me think a bit about character interaction. The characters in Tales of Vesperia have really great chemistry. They have fantastic dialogue with each other and their relationships just work so well. This kind of fits with my love of Maou-sama where the characters have this great chemistry and this wonderful dialogue that really fits and adds to the series as a whole. So with that having been said, I really hate how so many anime don't give you that chemistry. I feel like it's a rare thing to see characters that have genuinely great chemistry with one another. Characters that you can legitimately see being good friends. Basically nothing like Naruto, or Sasuke, or pink-haired girl whose name I've suddenly forgotten (conveniently).
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