2006-12-29, 17:12 | Link #161 | |
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2006-12-29, 17:30 | Link #162 | |
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As for the PS2 final chapter, Miotsukushi-hen, I haven't heard anything about it being the "true ending" (with the way Minagoroshi-hen played out, I doubt you can get any "truer" of an ending than Matsuribayashi-hen though). It's true that it will be an "alternate" ending to Matsuribayashi-hen, but whether or not Miotsukushi is "truer"... well, we'll find out when the game is released on 1/28. |
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2006-12-30, 06:21 | Link #163 | |
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But I wouldn't take it seriously. To me it's more like something to try to grab the interest of people and sell a few more copies hehe
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2006-12-30, 19:20 | Link #164 |
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I heard they advertised that thePS2 version will have the "true ending" because some people weren't satisfied with Matsuribayashi-hen's ending, and that Ryukishi07 personally rewritten the whole "ending" again (maybe to suit the PS2 version's playing style?). After all, they all wanted to know what happened past June of 1983, espically according to Matsuribayashi-hen's ending.
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2007-01-08, 17:40 | Link #165 |
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Okay, I have a question...maybe I missed the connection somewhere, but what was the deal with Satoko's uncle's body dissapearing, and the hole having to be redug? Or is that covered explicitly later in the remaining arcs? I've watched all the eps, read all the TIPS and Pieces, and bought the disc and am playing the fan translations (I know, I should have waited on the Pieces then, but...), but that's the one gap I'm still puzzled over.
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2007-01-08, 17:58 | Link #166 | |
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2007-01-09, 09:56 | Link #167 | |
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When he said: "I have things to do and I can't go to the festival, please take Satoko with you". "Mion" said she received a similar call in the past and murmured to herself "Satoshi-kun..." If you rewatch Meakashi-hen you will see how this phone call proceeded (I'm assuming here some events in the past happen in a similar way in every world) Then we have one more person involved in it all
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2007-01-09, 09:59 | Link #168 |
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and since keiichi asked blatantly a "request" to mion, as the heir of the sonozaki, you can deduce who did this, and how they cover it.
with some extent, it can be linked with Tsumihoroboshi-hen
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2007-01-09, 15:48 | Link #170 | |
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1. well, there ARE difference between the 2 chapters (and some mistakes in the original TIPS, right kj? ). however, the similarities are really too much to think that they are different, especially with Rika's comment, in the beginning of Minagoroshi-hen. So we can consider that Meakashi-hen is indeed Watanagashi-hen, with slight differences due the randomness/butterfly effect of the "worlds" in Higurashi. (i think KJ has the complete explanation about this, i talked to him a while back for some inconsistancies of meakashi-hen TIPS, and Ryukishi gave some explanation of these already) 2. at first, i thought shion said this, in order to prevent herself being recognized by keiichi as "shion" and not "mion". however, in the anime version of meakashi-hen, Shion said that, after the doll incident mion was sad and depressed. because of her conversation with her, shion, who was able to seal her feelings for satoshi, had some flashback, so, reviving her insanity she had 1 year earlier, after the "nail incident" and satoshi-s disappearance. while it seems rather cranky, this explanation is plausible. i won't take these answers as canon, we would definitavely need the novel informations about theses 2.
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2007-01-10, 11:24 | Link #171 | |
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Are you talking about that stuff of Shion's/Mion's names apparently mistakenly swapped in some TIPS?
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2007-01-10, 11:40 | Link #172 |
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no, in fact, 2 tips are conflicting each other.
TIPS #109 and TIPS #113 In the TIPS 113, it is stated that rika died the 22nd june. However, on the police investigation, TIPS 109, it appears that the 21th is the LATEST date possible, because between Rika's death and Keiichi's confrontation against mion, at least 1 day have passed. (like i said in this thread about the 48hours theory here, more than 48 hours have passed in fact) The police barged in the 22nd, so the TIPS 113 has a mistake. (if i take my previous post into account, i would say rika died around the 19-20th, if we consider the 22nd as the canon date for the police barging) If we consider the TIPS 109 as the faulty one, well... TIPS 113 is still helluva broken, since Mion's death on this TIPS is also on the 22nd june, whish is impossible time wise. according to KJ, Ryukishi made the mistake, and gave a reply about this, when several japanese players discovered that mistake. He tried to change the difference between Watanagashi and Meakashi (the days in Watanagashi were 18-20, and Meakashi were 19-21) to show that though the two are similar, they are not necessarily equal. However, while he was trying to change the dates, he went overboard and didn't notice the inconsistencies.
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2007-01-10, 17:22 | Link #173 | |
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Thanks for clearing that up! |
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2007-01-10, 20:24 | Link #174 | |
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What a mess heheehe And to think everything woul be solved just by changing 22nd to 20th on TIP 113... Maybe it was just a mistyping And it all apply to Satoko's death date too But her date could have been 21st or maybe 20th, whatever...
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2007-01-11, 13:05 | Link #175 |
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Just a side note, seems every person had their hands stanined with blood after all the chapters, all excecpt Mion. Think she's the only one left that hasn't really go L5 in the series. It will be interesting if Ryukishi will make one more question and answer arc for "the real Mion going mad" senario.... it will be interesting.
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2007-01-11, 17:51 | Link #176 | |
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maybe it will be in this one...
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2007-02-24, 19:36 | Link #177 |
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speculation
All right, this is just my speculation, but I've been reading all the "tips" and "pieces" over and over and I don't think anyone has yet voiced the following theory:
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2007-02-24, 20:39 | Link #178 | |
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Keiichi not giving the doll to Mion causes her to go to Shion and share her feelings about Keiichi. On the surface this leads to Shion deciding to screw with the two of them by posing as Mion, both to amuse herself and also to further their relationship by getting Keiichi to think of Mion as a girl and getting Mion to drop her pose of disregard. However subconsciously she's doing it because she's jealous and resentful of her sister for being in love with someone who is a lot like Satoshi, right down to the mannerism of patting girls on the head, while the real Satoshi is apparently dead. This increases Shion's stress level, awakening the syndrome with resulting paranoia that starts everything tumbling down. |
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