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Old 2017-09-08, 12:22   Link #521
kari-no-sugata II
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regarding Alda,

it would be a surprise if he was competent. Originally there were 7 human gods + 4 non-human gods.
Each of the 7 human gods had their own specialty or portfolio. They balance each other and cover for each other weakness. Now Alda is trying do the job of 7 gods, even with his helper gods (Angels) there is no way he would be competent at it.
Yup, things worked much better when he was part of a team. He definitely struggles with a lot of stuff with how things are now. And the lack of quality support hurts him. But it was his choice to launch a surprise attack on Vida, for example. Or to refuse her suggestions that would probably have been more effective against the Demon King. You would think he would have come up with better ways to guide his own followers - his ability to send Divine Messages is quite dire (then again, developing anything is an anathema to him). Ie he dug his own grave.


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i have to say this generally mostly applies to young adult novels. The novels aim at older audience generally do have more competent Establishment (protag or antag).
Hmm, kind of. Certainly the younger the target audience the less competent the adults tend to be. However, even when the target audience are adults, "the establishment" is generally incompetent - there might well be pockets of competence though.

edit Do you think better enemies would help improve the story? Eg, maybe Heinz could have been done better? (Not really sure how though)

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Old 2017-09-08, 12:40   Link #522
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Nah, Heinz fits as Alda's hero and this world's villian.
They arent really evil, it is just a conflict of different point of views with him and Alda .
Tough personally i am more interested in that other world where Banda and his loli are.
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Old 2017-09-08, 12:55   Link #523
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Yup, things worked much better when he was part of a team. He definitely struggles with a lot of stuff with how things are now. And the lack of quality support hurts him. But it was his choice to launch a surprise attack on Vida, for example. Or to refuse her suggestions that would probably have been more effective against the Demon King. You would think he would have come up with better ways to guide his own followers - his ability to send Divine Messages is quite dire (then again, developing anything is an anathema to him). Ie he dug his own grave.
Vida really is the same, she didn't put much effort in trying to explain things to Alda and just went off to do her own stuff.

Vida thinks Alda is plotting against her
Alda thinks Vida has gone off the deep end.


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Hmm, kind of. Certainly the younger the target audience the less competent the adults tend to be. However, even when the target audience are adults, "the establishment" is generally incompetent - there might well be pockets of competence though.
Knights of Neraka form Dragonlance
Scrogs form Spacejammer
White Mages form Recluse saga
Basically everyone form the Cold Fire Trilogy

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edit Do you think better enemies would help improve the story? Eg, maybe Heinz could have been done better? (Not really sure how though)
i don't think that the enemies are that incompetent.
Alda's side was working form a position of a lack of info. By the time they realize who Van is, it was too late. Neither heinz or the vamps could have done better without better info. So better enemies would mean a better inform enemies and we then have a completely different story.
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Old 2017-09-08, 17:04   Link #524
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Harassment by commercial guild increased and Fang ranked up to rank 2.
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Old 2017-09-08, 17:28   Link #525
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Well, Fang deviating from normality didn't take long - already reviving Van's guidance and then transformation by blood! Wonder if Fang has size adjustment ability or will Van have to come up with some excuse for the sudden change?

Was quite nice to see Van go to the adventures guild to make a request. Seen so many stories of the MC accepting a request. Almost never see the MC making a request, and for something mundane too.
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Old 2017-09-08, 18:24   Link #526
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edit Do you think better enemies would help improve the story? Eg, maybe Heinz could have been done better? (Not really sure how though)
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i don't think that the enemies are that incompetent.
Alda's side was working form a position of a lack of info. By the time they realize who Van is, it was too late. Neither heinz or the vamps could have done better without better info. So better enemies would mean a better inform enemies and we then have a completely different story.
thinking what if, with enemies that are better inform.

The priest instead of giving up after a few months would have keep at it till he found Van. At that point would be

1. dead - end of story
or
2. Schneider finds Van first and Van is now following Schneider. Viagro and other ghoul would have been kill by the noble orc and Van would also not have meet Sam and his daughters. He would have gone over the mountain range to Talosheim at a much later date and older as well. Think about what Van's life would be like with Schneider as basically a father figure.
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Old 2017-09-08, 19:33   Link #527
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^Life with Schneider probably wouldn't actually be that different, I think.
He'd still develop a muscle fetish and learn to fight unarmed. Only thing I can imagine is less undead (to conform to life in the city), and he'd probably learn unarmed fighting faster since none of his mentors were ever really all that good at it.
Rather he'd probably change jobs more slowly due to trying to stay unnoticed due to living in the empire. But since Van has bad luck and all things would probably go south pretty quick.

^^Only other novel that comes to mind with the protagonist submitting a quest would be Kuro no Maou.
Who did it twice, really. Or tried to; my memory is foggy and one might've never gotten submitted in the end.

I imagine the little Vandalieus in the dream that Van was wondering about are probably the blessings he gave to everyone.
Meaning that everyone has their own (lesser) Banda now, whose cheers (screams) can drive fear into a god(dess).

Speaking of Banda, he can't complain about his appearance anymore. Actual Van has become much worse (better).
The actual change his reconstruction brought just seems like it will make it easier for his spirit type of skills to level, what with the being easier to move and stuff.
Maybe easier to give more blessings too. Still no mention if removing the curse partially had any actual results, though.
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Old 2017-09-08, 22:30   Link #528
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if van was with with scheneider in the beginning i think since he would still have death atribute charm he would be noticed realy early and be forced to leave the empire still a baby like before and probaly another oracle would come so he go to taroshein as the holy son

still origen vampires trying to kill him
arda priests "
and rodocorte "

the only think that mostly likely would change is that heinz wont be his revenge target but still enemy
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Old 2017-09-09, 01:47   Link #529
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so can someone confirm me on this? read the raws(GT) but not clear

Spoiler for following translated chapters:

is there any mistakes?(just read until here)
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Old 2017-09-09, 04:06   Link #530
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who is val?valdal?
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Old 2017-09-09, 04:15   Link #531
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so can someone confirm me on this? read the raws(GT) but not clear

Spoiler for following translated chapters:

is there any mistakes?(just read until here)
there is some mistakes but nothing big
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Old 2017-09-09, 04:41   Link #532
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There is a time line chapert "full of spolers
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Old 2017-09-09, 06:35   Link #533
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so can someone confirm me on this? read the raws(GT) but not clear

Spoiler for following translated chapters:

is there any mistakes?(just read until here)
He doesn't eat a god's clone, but an actual weakened evil god.
The fortuneteller is a medium; you know, the type that sees spirits.
Van never sees Heinz as a good guy. His trying to come off as a good guy in that scene disgusted him, however.
The gangster was more an old, crabby apple saleslady and some thugs. The apple lady part is important (because she later reincarnates as a tree monster).

I don't think Braga was ever mentioned to have kids yet. He had two wives, though.
He doesn't destroy the mine with an earthquake, but a fire spell. Specifically he uses the fire giant princess as a medium and she uses his excessive mana to shave away at it.

The other stuff is right.
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Old 2017-09-09, 07:34   Link #534
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He doesn't eat a god's clone, but an actual weakened evil god.
The fortuneteller is a medium; you know, the type that sees spirits.
Van never sees Heinz as a good guy. His trying to come off as a good guy in that scene disgusted him, however.
The gangster was more an old, crabby apple saleslady and some thugs. The apple lady part is important (because she later reincarnates as a tree monster).

I don't think Braga was ever mentioned to have kids yet. He had two wives, though.
He doesn't destroy the mine with an earthquake, but a fire spell. Specifically he uses the fire giant princess as a medium and she uses his excessive mana to shave away at it.

The other stuff is right.
is the apple lady an ally of Van. 0-0

I hope he kill Heinz. >.>
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Old 2017-09-09, 07:37   Link #535
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Yeah, she's actually sort of like one of the heroines now. Well, more like sub-heroine.
She evolved from a tree monster to a dryad-like thing.
Of course she has no memory of ever being the apple lady, but it shows now and then.
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Old 2017-09-09, 07:44   Link #536
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Yeah, she's actually sort of like one of the heroines now.
She evolved from a tree monster to a dryad-like thing.
Of course she has no memory of ever being the apple lady, but it shows now and then.
oh I see I am reading MT and my head hurts a bit.... so I need to confirm if I read it correctly thx. ^^

last one question what happen to other hero that was still baby in Van's kingdom did he notice him or not I hope it is ok to ask. T_T
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Old 2017-09-09, 07:49   Link #537
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Still nothing happened with him.
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Old 2017-09-09, 08:00   Link #538
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Still nothing happened with him.
ah I see thx. ^^
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Old 2017-09-09, 15:38   Link #539
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i don't think that the enemies are that incompetent.
Alda's side was working form a position of a lack of info. By the time they realize who Van is, it was too late. Neither heinz or the vamps could have done better without better info. So better enemies would mean a better inform enemies and we then have a completely different story.
The main reason I think Alda is incompetent is due to what he's achieved during the last 100,000 years - or rather, his lack of achievements. Despite him being the strongest around, the evil gods are still going strong, corruption is rife in his territories, even his own church is corrupt and so on. Despite being a god that majors in law and order, Vida's areas seem safer, more orderly and so on (apart from when evil gods are stirring things up).
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Old 2017-09-09, 23:50   Link #540
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the son of the emperor is a reincarnator?
if there is a sun god (talos right? is he a pillar?)
is there a moon god?
like vampires are totaly for the moon but there is nothing abouit in the story? no moons?
is there even a moon in lambda? there is!
like there are eclypses, but they are more like a gods thing not a moon thing right?(in lambda)
there should be something like more powerfull during the fullmoon or something right?


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