(L) Yondome wa Iyana Shi Zokusei Majutsushi

[kari-no-sugata II]

Originally Posted by Xellos-_^

regarding Alda,

it would be a surprise if he was competent. Originally there were 7 human gods + 4 non-human gods.
Each of the 7 human gods had their own specialty or portfolio. They balance each other and cover for each other weakness. Now Alda is trying do the job of 7 gods, even with his helper gods (Angels) there is no way he would be competent at it.

Yup, things worked much better when he was part of a team. He definitely struggles with a lot of stuff with how things are now. And the lack of quality support hurts him. But it was his choice to launch a surprise attack on Vida, for example. Or to refuse her suggestions that would probably have been more effective against the Demon King. You would think he would have come up with better ways to guide his own followers - his ability to send Divine Messages is quite dire (then again, developing anything is an anathema to him). Ie he dug his own grave.

Originally Posted by Xellos-_^

i have to say this generally mostly applies to young adult novels. The novels aim at older audience generally do have more competent Establishment (protag or antag).

Hmm, kind of. Certainly the younger the target audience the less competent the adults tend to be. However, even when the target audience are adults, "the establishment" is generally incompetent - there might well be pockets of competence though.

edit Do you think better enemies would help improve the story? Eg, maybe Heinz could have been done better? (Not really sure how though)

[Breimn]

Nah, Heinz fits as Alda's hero and this world's villian.
They arent really evil, it is just a conflict of different point of views with him and Alda .
Tough personally i am more interested in that other world where Banda and his loli are.

[Xellos-_^]

Originally Posted by kari-no-sugata II

Yup, things worked much better when he was part of a team. He definitely struggles with a lot of stuff with how things are now. And the lack of quality support hurts him. But it was his choice to launch a surprise attack on Vida, for example. Or to refuse her suggestions that would probably have been more effective against the Demon King. You would think he would have come up with better ways to guide his own followers - his ability to send Divine Messages is quite dire (then again, developing anything is an anathema to him). Ie he dug his own grave.

Vida really is the same, she didn't put much effort in trying to explain things to Alda and just went off to do her own stuff.

Vida thinks Alda is plotting against her
Alda thinks Vida has gone off the deep end.

Hmm, kind of. Certainly the younger the target audience the less competent the adults tend to be. However, even when the target audience are adults, "the establishment" is generally incompetent - there might well be pockets of competence though.

Knights of Neraka form Dragonlance
Scrogs form Spacejammer
White Mages form Recluse saga
Basically everyone form the Cold Fire Trilogy

edit Do you think better enemies would help improve the story? Eg, maybe Heinz could have been done better? (Not really sure how though)

i don't think that the enemies are that incompetent.
Alda's side was working form a position of a lack of info. By the time they realize who Van is, it was too late. Neither heinz or the vamps could have done better without better info. So better enemies would mean a better inform enemies and we then have a completely different story.

[Breimn]

Harassment by commercial guild increased and Fang ranked up to rank 2.

Spoiler for raw:

I found it pretty funny that Val s banzai sounded like a beast s roar to Heinz and the dreams goddess.
Aniway Val s god body now kinda looks human , it is shaped like a person wearing an armor ,cape and shield .

[kari-no-sugata II]

Well, Fang deviating from normality didn't take long - already reviving Van's guidance and then transformation by blood! Wonder if Fang has size adjustment ability or will Van have to come up with some excuse for the sudden change?

Was quite nice to see Van go to the adventures guild to make a request. Seen so many stories of the MC accepting a request. Almost never see the MC making a request, and for something mundane too.

[Xellos-_^]

Originally Posted by kari-no-sugata II

edit Do you think better enemies would help improve the story? Eg, maybe Heinz could have been done better? (Not really sure how though)

Originally Posted by Xellos-_^

i don't think that the enemies are that incompetent.
Alda's side was working form a position of a lack of info. By the time they realize who Van is, it was too late. Neither heinz or the vamps could have done better without better info. So better enemies would mean a better inform enemies and we then have a completely different story.

thinking what if, with enemies that are better inform.

The priest instead of giving up after a few months would have keep at it till he found Van. At that point would be

1. dead - end of story
or
2. Schneider finds Van first and Van is now following Schneider. Viagro and other ghoul would have been kill by the noble orc and Van would also not have meet Sam and his daughters. He would have gone over the mountain range to Talosheim at a much later date and older as well. Think about what Van's life would be like with Schneider as basically a father figure.

[sasuke706]

^Life with Schneider probably wouldn't actually be that different, I think.
He'd still develop a muscle fetish and learn to fight unarmed. Only thing I can imagine is less undead (to conform to life in the city), and he'd probably learn unarmed fighting faster since none of his mentors were ever really all that good at it.
Rather he'd probably change jobs more slowly due to trying to stay unnoticed due to living in the empire. But since Van has bad luck and all things would probably go south pretty quick.

^^Only other novel that comes to mind with the protagonist submitting a quest would be Kuro no Maou.
Who did it twice, really. Or tried to; my memory is foggy and one might've never gotten submitted in the end.

I imagine the little Vandalieus in the dream that Van was wondering about are probably the blessings he gave to everyone.
Meaning that everyone has their own (lesser) Banda now, whose cheers (screams) can drive fear into a god(dess).

Speaking of Banda, he can't complain about his appearance anymore. Actual Van has become much worse (better).
The actual change his reconstruction brought just seems like it will make it easier for his spirit type of skills to level, what with the being easier to move and stuff.
Maybe easier to give more blessings too. Still no mention if removing the curse partially had any actual results, though.

[lexlexz]

if van was with with scheneider in the beginning i think since he would still have death atribute charm he would be noticed realy early and be forced to leave the empire still a baby like before and probaly another oracle would come so he go to taroshein as the holy son

still origen vampires trying to kill him
arda priests "
and rodocorte "

the only think that mostly likely would change is that heinz wont be his revenge target but still enemy

[moneng85]

so can someone confirm me on this? read the raws(GT) but not clear

Spoiler for following translated chapters:

-Valdal, Braga(goblin), Zuran(giant) and Eleonora(vamp) goes to kingdom
-saves several villages from varying evil schemes
-saving a wounded man, saving the village from epidemic, stoping bandits, killing monsters, creating well, remove poison from soil and give goblin meat recipe
-Van makes a spirit form of himself as big as an airplane so he can carry his companions
-goes to bigger town
-Van reads book, accidentally ate a god's clone(oops) and receive a 50million up in magic power(tehee)
-asks a fortuneteller(?) for the status of the refugee giants
-found out they are made as slaves to work at mines
#Braga(goblin) made a girlfriend(IMPORTANT!!)
-tries to become adventurer, but rejected
-meets Heinz(sound like a certain ketchup company) and somehow sees Heinz as a good guy that saves him
-runs away from the town in a crazed-panicked mode
-some gangster commoner wants to take away Van's money and sells him as slave
-Van in a crazed mode uses some kind of screaming skill that he pours all his mana to and those gangsters disintegrate

#on a side note Kanata, reincarnated person dies in Origin, killed for selling another reincarnated mother's organ, revived by Rodcode(?) rapes any female adventurer, kills males thinking he can get away with it after assassinating Van and move on to his fourth reincarnation.
#he also does not take Rodcode(?) advice of going to guild, take a job but immediately goes after Van
#soldiers and adventurers come to kill Kanata, he kills males, rapes women then kills them

-Van and group goes to underground mine to search for Giants
-found a coffin with a 10,000 year old blood that goes to Van mouth and his skills level up by a lot
-Van destroy a barrier that prevents the Giants from becoming an undead or reincarnating
-meets with giant princess
-#flashback, duke something poison them to sleep, turn them as slaves#
-princess says she got no more harthed and people whom she want to take revenge to already died
-Van rouse up her hatred made her into a fire spirit
#Kanata come, tried to kill Van, dies shouts he will take revenge and then souls crushed

-back to Talos, princess tells tale, treasury all taken away
#Braga is a father of two!!
-back to mines, Van release slavery collar, raise undeads
-giants rampage!
-Van meets luciato(?) the Live-dead user in the ghoul vs orc arc
-takes luciato(?) as disciple
-Van destroy mountains that have the mine(with earthquake?)
-comes back to talos and bring all the mine slaves as citizens

-

is there any mistakes?(just read until here)

[lexlexz]

who is val?valdal?

[lexlexz]

Originally Posted by moneng85

so can someone confirm me on this? read the raws(GT) but not clear

Spoiler for following translated chapters:

-Valdal, Braga(goblin), Zuran(giant) and Eleonora(vamp) goes to kingdom
-saves several villages from varying evil schemes
-saving a wounded man, saving the village from epidemic, stoping bandits, killing monsters, creating well, remove poison from soil and give goblin meat recipe
-Van makes a spirit form of himself as big as an airplane so he can carry his companions
-goes to bigger town
-Van reads book, accidentally ate a god's clone(oops) and receive a 50million up in magic power(tehee)
-asks a fortuneteller(?) for the status of the refugee giants
-found out they are made as slaves to work at mines
#Braga(goblin) made a girlfriend(IMPORTANT!!)
-tries to become adventurer, but rejected
-meets Heinz(sound like a certain ketchup company) and somehow sees Heinz as a good guy that saves him imposible
-runs away from the town in a crazed-panicked mode
-some gangster commoner wants to take away Van's money and sells him as slave
-Van in a crazed mode uses some kind of screaming skill that he pours all his mana to and those gangsters disintegrate

#on a side note Kanata, reincarnated person dies in Origin, killed for selling another reincarnated mother's organ, revived by Rodcode(?) rapes any female adventurer, kills males thinking he can get away with it after assassinating Van and move on to his fourth reincarnation.
#he also does not take Rodcode(?) advice of going to guild, take a job but immediately goes after Van
#soldiers and adventurers come to kill Kanata, he kills males, rapes women then kills them

-Van and group goes to underground mine to search for Giants
-found a coffin with a 10,000 year old blood that goes to Van mouth and his skills level up by a lot
-Van destroy a barrier that prevents the Giants from becoming an undead or reincarnating
-meets with giant princess
-#flashback, duke something poison them to sleep, turn them as slaves#
-princess says she got no more harthed and people whom she want to take revenge to already died
-Van rouse up her hatred made her into a fire spirit
#Kanata come, tried to kill Van, dies shouts he will take revenge and then souls crushed

-back to Talos, princess tells tale, treasury all taken away
#Braga is a father of two!!
-back to mines, Van release slavery collar, raise undeads
-giants rampage!
-Van meets luciato(?) the Live-dead user in the ghoul vs orc arc
-takes luciato(?) as disciple
-Van destroy mountains that have the mine(with earthquake?)
-comes back to talos and bring all the mine slaves as citizens

-

is there any mistakes?(just read until here)

there is some mistakes but nothing big

[lexlexz]

There is a time line chapert "full of spolers
"

[sasuke706]

Originally Posted by moneng85

so can someone confirm me on this? read the raws(GT) but not clear

Spoiler for following translated chapters:

-Valdal, Braga(goblin), Zuran(giant) and Eleonora(vamp) goes to kingdom
-saves several villages from varying evil schemes
-saving a wounded man, saving the village from epidemic, stoping bandits, killing monsters, creating well, remove poison from soil and give goblin meat recipe
-Van makes a spirit form of himself as big as an airplane so he can carry his companions
-goes to bigger town
-Van reads book, accidentally ate a god's clone(oops) and receive a 50million up in magic power(tehee)
-asks a fortuneteller(?) for the status of the refugee giants
-found out they are made as slaves to work at mines
#Braga(goblin) made a girlfriend(IMPORTANT!!)
-tries to become adventurer, but rejected
-meets Heinz(sound like a certain ketchup company) and somehow sees Heinz as a good guy that saves him
-runs away from the town in a crazed-panicked mode
-some gangster commoner wants to take away Van's money and sells him as slave
-Van in a crazed mode uses some kind of screaming skill that he pours all his mana to and those gangsters disintegrate

#on a side note Kanata, reincarnated person dies in Origin, killed for selling another reincarnated mother's organ, revived by Rodcode(?) rapes any female adventurer, kills males thinking he can get away with it after assassinating Van and move on to his fourth reincarnation.
#he also does not take Rodcode(?) advice of going to guild, take a job but immediately goes after Van
#soldiers and adventurers come to kill Kanata, he kills males, rapes women then kills them

-Van and group goes to underground mine to search for Giants
-found a coffin with a 10,000 year old blood that goes to Van mouth and his skills level up by a lot
-Van destroy a barrier that prevents the Giants from becoming an undead or reincarnating
-meets with giant princess
-#flashback, duke something poison them to sleep, turn them as slaves#
-princess says she got no more harthed and people whom she want to take revenge to already died
-Van rouse up her hatred made her into a fire spirit
#Kanata come, tried to kill Van, dies shouts he will take revenge and then souls crushed

-back to Talos, princess tells tale, treasury all taken away
#Braga is a father of two!!
-back to mines, Van release slavery collar, raise undeads
-giants rampage!
-Van meets luciato(?) the Live-dead user in the ghoul vs orc arc
-takes luciato(?) as disciple
-Van destroy mountains that have the mine(with earthquake?)
-comes back to talos and bring all the mine slaves as citizens

-

is there any mistakes?(just read until here)

He doesn't eat a god's clone, but an actual weakened evil god.
The fortuneteller is a medium; you know, the type that sees spirits.
Van never sees Heinz as a good guy. His trying to come off as a good guy in that scene disgusted him, however.
The gangster was more an old, crabby apple saleslady and some thugs. The apple lady part is important (because she later reincarnates as a tree monster).

I don't think Braga was ever mentioned to have kids yet. He had two wives, though.
He doesn't destroy the mine with an earthquake, but a fire spell. Specifically he uses the fire giant princess as a medium and she uses his excessive mana to shave away at it.

The other stuff is right.

[kusabireika]

Originally Posted by sasuke706

He doesn't eat a god's clone, but an actual weakened evil god.
The fortuneteller is a medium; you know, the type that sees spirits.
Van never sees Heinz as a good guy. His trying to come off as a good guy in that scene disgusted him, however.
The gangster was more an old, crabby apple saleslady and some thugs. The apple lady part is important (because she later reincarnates as a tree monster).

I don't think Braga was ever mentioned to have kids yet. He had two wives, though.
He doesn't destroy the mine with an earthquake, but a fire spell. Specifically he uses the fire giant princess as a medium and she uses his excessive mana to shave away at it.

The other stuff is right.

is the apple lady an ally of Van. 0-0

I hope he kill Heinz. >.>

[sasuke706]

Yeah, she's actually sort of like one of the heroines now. Well, more like sub-heroine.
She evolved from a tree monster to a dryad-like thing.
Of course she has no memory of ever being the apple lady, but it shows now and then.

[kusabireika]

Originally Posted by sasuke706

Yeah, she's actually sort of like one of the heroines now.
She evolved from a tree monster to a dryad-like thing.
Of course she has no memory of ever being the apple lady, but it shows now and then.

oh I see I am reading MT and my head hurts a bit.... so I need to confirm if I read it correctly thx. ^^

last one question what happen to other hero that was still baby in Van's kingdom did he notice him or not I hope it is ok to ask. T_T

[Breimn]

Still nothing happened with him.

[kusabireika]

Originally Posted by Breimn

Still nothing happened with him.

ah I see thx. ^^

[kari-no-sugata II]

Originally Posted by Xellos-_^

i don't think that the enemies are that incompetent.
Alda's side was working form a position of a lack of info. By the time they realize who Van is, it was too late. Neither heinz or the vamps could have done better without better info. So better enemies would mean a better inform enemies and we then have a completely different story.

The main reason I think Alda is incompetent is due to what he's achieved during the last 100,000 years - or rather, his lack of achievements. Despite him being the strongest around, the evil gods are still going strong, corruption is rife in his territories, even his own church is corrupt and so on. Despite being a god that majors in law and order, Vida's areas seem safer, more orderly and so on (apart from when evil gods are stirring things up).

[lexlexz]

the son of the emperor is a reincarnator?
if there is a sun god (talos right? is he a pillar?)
is there a moon god?
like vampires are totaly for the moon but there is nothing abouit in the story? no moons?
is there even a moon in lambda? there is!
like there are eclypses, but they are more like a gods thing not a moon thing right?(in lambda)
there should be something like more powerfull during the fullmoon or something right?

Spoiler for moon:

there is a giant of the moon diana in the devil continent