(L+CR) Boku Dake ga Inai Machi - ERASED [Manga comparisons forbidden]

[Mister Twit]

I forgot, is this the same day and year that it was when it started? It's not, right? I didn't think it was 2003 in the beginning.

Somehow I doubt at this pace that this is going to get into what the hell this revival thing was all about. For me though, that's the only interesting thing left. Since it's implied that Yashiro had some connection to this power, I'm hoping there will be some explanation in the upcoming dialogue rather than Satoru doling out some kind of shallow justice.

[karice67]

Originally Posted by Kenu

It's obvious Satoru's words caught Yashiro-sensei and he must have saved him because he wants to know the secret to his time-travelling and perhaps use it himself.

Yashiro/Nishizono's line there seems to preclude that possibility: it's "he didn't die," said in a way that indicates that he wasn't involved involved in getting him out of that car.

Besides, why would he do that? If Satoru hadn't gone into a coma and forgotten what had happened, then he'd have named Yashiro as the one who'd tried to kill him. Given that the car looks like Yashiro's and the seatbelt tampered with, the circumstantial evidence against him would have been quite damning.

Originally Posted by Mister Twit

I forgot, is this the same day and year that it was when it started? It's not, right? I didn't think it was 2003 in the beginning.

No, it's not. The show started with Satoru being 29 years old, which makes it 2006. Also, 3 months have already passed since Satoru woke up (the calendar has shown July, August and then October in the course of this episode).

[Kenu]

Originally Posted by karice67

Yashiro/Nishizono's line there seems to preclude that possibility: it's "he didn't die," said in a way that indicates that he wasn't involved involved in getting him out of that car.

Besides, why would he do that? If Satoru hadn't gone into a coma and forgotten what had happened, then he'd have named Yashiro as the one who'd tried to kill him. Given that the car looks like Yashiro's and the seatbelt tampered with, the circumstantial evidence against him would have been quite damning.

Yeah, maybe we will find out next episode or not at all. You're right though Yashiro's monologue at the beginning hinted at him being disappointed Satoru didn't die by his devised plan like that mythological creature.

[orion]

Originally Posted by karice67

No, it's not. The show started with Satoru being 29 years old, which makes it 2006. Also, 3 months have already passed since Satoru woke up (the calendar has shown July, August and then October in the course of this episode).

Do you think Revival woke him to prevent Kumi from getting killed? He could have woken up at any year, so why 2003?

Originally Posted by thundrakkon

Oh, another point I forgot to mention. It looks like Satoru got his memory back when he placed his palm on Mirai, Kayo's son. It was as if the "future" was brought back to him. After that, he wanted to train doubly hard to walk again. He was about to mention it to his mom, but decided against it for her safety. I guess he kept quiet, since he didn't want anyone to know until he was ready to fight back.

Well his mom did go back to "make him forget the stressful moment in his life" mode without thinking that the killer may want to make sure Satoru is dead.

[Pen3]

Originally Posted by orion

Do you think Revival woke him to prevent Kumi from getting killed? He could have woken up at any year, so why 2003?

So he has the power to chose when to wake up? Did not know that.

[thundrakkon]

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The treating doctor did not talk with Yashiro. He was on the phone with the hospital director. Yashiro, as councilman, has many connections with owners, directors, etc. Yashiro got the information from the director, as he knows the director.

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Originally Posted by orion

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Yashiro probably killed many other girls in between the time Satoru was in a coma. We didn't see a butterfly flying by, so I don't think Revival woke him. As for why he woke up in 2003 (besides story purposes to get him to become an adult again and closer to the original timeline without relying on Revival), comas are quite a mystery. A person can wake up at any point without any reasons why.

[j4c06]

Satoru's mom sure is great. But what about his dad, has he ever been mentioned?

[Kenu]

Originally Posted by j4c06

Satoru's mom sure is great. But what about his dad, has he ever been mentioned?

Not that I can remember which is really odd.

What if in the last episode Yashiro says to Satoru, "I am your father....!"

[Arya]

Originally Posted by thundrakkon

Oh, another point I forgot to mention. It looks like Satoru got his memory back when he placed his palm on Mirai, Kayo's son. It was as if the "future" was brought back to him. After that, he wanted to train doubly hard to walk again. He was about to mention it to his mom, but decided against it for her safety. I guess he kept quiet, since he didn't want anyone to know until he was ready to fight back.

I've missed that (better, not registered).
About not telling to Sachiko, if he really got all his memories back, he did it to not involve her again. All the story began to save her, so if after all of this he had involved her again that could have led to the same fate (of Sachiko getting killed).
On paper she is not safe yet. (nor himself, but that doesn't matter).

Originally Posted by BBOvenGuy

What on earth are people complaining about with the reunion scene between Kayo and Satoru? I thought it was marvelous! Satoru was obviously thrilled to see that Kayo had grown up so well and was living such a good life. Kayo was indeed feeling anxious and perhaps a little guilty about leaving Satoru behind. In what way could anyone possibly interpret this scene as nasty Kayo rubbing her ex-boyfriend's nose in what a great time she's been having with his friend while he was comatose?

Yep, the same, I loved it, in a bittersweet way, but was the spotlight of the episode, I come to realize I couldn't care much of the whole killer thing.



About Kayo not waiting for Satoru, I think in the end we could easily link it to the Hero path Satoru decided to follow. In a very tragic way; shortly, as karice67 has brought up before, the hero is a hero because he does what he has to do, what he thinks is right. He does that not for any reward, so even if from the viewer's point of view it may seems really unfair or the like, from a "moral/idealistic" ground Satoru becomes a true hero even because he didn't get the "reward" he was expected to gain.
(I'm leaning to think that if Satoru got together with Kayo in the end, then Sachiko would be still killed). It's a sort of the first law of equivalent exchange.


Someone already brought that up not for the same reason, but this is an essential fundament of Inaho (and Asseylum) from Aldnoah Zero. For both their actions followed this same path to basically give up to themselves and to themselves together for a greater goal.

Spoiler for A/Z:

and in fact they accomplished their mission (despite how unrewarding that ending was for me)!! as much as I'm expecting Satoru will do the same.

In this case anyways there wasn't any real deep involvement so it flawed more naturally and the result was rewarding (or maybe because I was forged by A/Z ahaha).

Anyhow I think the first time I heard about this concept (tragic hero?) was in relation to Taichi from Chihayafuru , and about it, well, I don't think I need to explain why.

[BWTraveller]

Originally Posted by BBOvenGuy

Okay, now I've finally seen the episode (good old Pacific time zone), and I've got to say...

What on earth are people complaining about with the reunion scene between Kayo and Satoru? I thought it was marvelous! Satoru was obviously thrilled to see that Kayo had grown up so well and was living such a good life. Kayo was indeed feeling anxious and perhaps a little guilty about leaving Satoru behind. In what way could anyone possibly interpret this scene as nasty Kayo rubbing her ex-boyfriend's nose in what a great time she's been having with his friend while he was comatose?

[mod edit: remove the manga tangent to hopefully prevent the topic from re-igniting]

I don't know if I'd go that far, but as I said it does seem a little much. To her knowledge this is her first love, whose last memory is from a time when he felt at least a bit of something for her if not a true shared crush, who is also very, very weak. You're walking up to an eleven-year-old who should still be reeling from the time lost and again very weak and vulnerable, and making it so the moment he sees his crush he also sees that she's gotten married and had a kid. That's just throwing a lot at him at once. It would have been more considerate to work him into the situation, tell him how she'd been doing the last 15 years, then tell him she'd gotten married and THEN bring up the child.

[Kakurin]

Originally Posted by BWTraveller

You're walking up to an eleven-year-old who should still be reeling from the time lost and again very weak and vulnerable

She didn't visit him just after he woke up. It's already been a while since he woke up and had been briefed on the situation.

That's just throwing a lot at him at once. It would have been more considerate to work him into the situation, tell him how she'd been doing the last 15 years, then tell him she'd gotten married and THEN bring up the child.

You can see this from two angles. So let's assume Satoru really had a crush on her while he was 11 and she walks up to him not telling him anything about her getting married and having a child. Who is to say that Satoru in his mind won't get his hope up that something may be possible with her again? And then you bring up that she's married at a later point, wouldn't that be a deeper fall compared to just getting told outright? Both variants have their pros and cons, there is no perfect solution out there.

[blakstealth]

Originally Posted by thundrakkon

Oh, another point I forgot to mention. It looks like Satoru got his memory back when he placed his palm on Mirai, Kayo's son. It was as if the "future" was brought back to him. After that, he wanted to train doubly hard to walk again. He was about to mention it to his mom, but decided against it for her safety. I guess he kept quiet, since he didn't want anyone to know until he was ready to fight back.

that's a very good theory. I'd like to think when he started facepalming right after, everything was coming back to him.

[Psyco Diver]

Anyone notice Yashiro left a cell phone in that girls room and he made Saturo push the buttons on the elevator and Yashiro was wearing gloves, sounds like he is setting up Saturo. The guy in the hoodie looks like one of the paparazzi from earlier, I think either he will be Saturo's saving grace or is being manipulated by Yashiro

[Verso Sciolto]

Don't know if this has been posted already in this thread but I want to put it somewhere.
Paintings

Spoiler:

William Adolphe Bouguereau, Cupid and Psyche as Children
Filippo Lippi, Madonna with Child and two Angels

[Tormenk]

First time I got the chills watching an OP. Yashiro's narration before that was done chillingly well. Pretty fast-paced episode but I enjoyed all the developments.

[BWTraveller]

Originally Posted by Kakurin-san

She didn't visit him just after he woke up. It's already been a while since he woke up and had been briefed on the situation.

It may have been a while, but he's still very weak, confined to a wheelchair, and coming to grips with his situation. This isn't something that a person can get over in a couple weeks. A normal person would probably have a lot of trouble accepting it.

You can see this from two angles. So let's assume Satoru really had a crush on her while he was 11 and she walks up to him not telling him anything about her getting married and having a child. Who is to say that Satoru in his mind won't get his hope up that something may be possible with her again? And then you bring up that she's married at a later point, wouldn't that be a deeper fall compared to just getting told outright? Both variants have their pros and cons, there is no perfect solution out there.

I didn't say for her to come visit him over and over again while HIDING her status. I said have her come and see him, talk about how he's been, then on that first meeting tell him how she'd been doing, give him a rundown of her life, and in doing so work him into the fact that she'd found love and gained a family. Taking it too slowly would risk getting his hopes up, but working it into a single, long conversation is a lot better imho than just suddenly dumping the entire state of affairs on him by showing him the kid. I'm just saying she should have met him first and THEN let him know that she's married and has a child, rather than just suddenly showing up with the child in her arms. Going too slow would definitely be a bad idea with a guy whose last memories were a mutual crush, but going too fast isn't a good idea either, and once more having the baby in her arms the first time she sees him is TOO FAST. I'd only feel OK with that if she was still pregnant or something. I wouldn't expect her to just wait to see him until the pregnancy was over or anything, but since she was in a position to take it just slightly slower I think that would have been a little gentler.

[Boukenxha]

Satoru waking up from coma to find out Kayo and Hiromi are now together evokes memories of an old eroge adapted anime from 13 years back where similar things happened, damn how time flies. But NTR or not, Kayo did honestly confess that they were not comfortable at kinda leaving him behind when it was Satoru that gave her a new lease of life. I liked that the dialogue make an attempt to try to soften the blow, but knowing Satoru, it's not something he absolutely needs to hear as he believes this to be his hero path. He did not do what he did for Kayo not because he likes her (even though he does), but because he could... and from an extension of the want to change the undesirable future he left behind. He saved Aya too, and not forget the many times he got involved with strangers via "Revival" to prevent negative incidents even if it ends up being a negative for himself.

I also like how the characters are drawn with some retaining facial features of their 11 yo self (I think notably the eyes, like Kayo's sleepy eyes) that one look and you recognize Kenya, Hiromi and Kayo of course, which Satoru did instantly. That scene of his tears flowing down uncontrollably was very well done, it just goes to show how much he subconsciously wants to see Kayo again.

Lastly, great catch by thundrakkon for when Satoru recovered his lost memories, I would have missed it if not for you. Nice play there with "mirai/future".

[DemonneoPT]

LOL at people thinking Kayo marrying Hiromi was a dick move xD. Like many users here already said, Satoru was never in love with Kayo. He was just trying to save her. Sure they had some nice moments between them but Kayo was just a kid. Although Satoru had a big impact on Kayo's life, expecting her to never marry and being alone is kinda stupid because not only goes against everything Satory wanted for her but is also completely illogical for a 11 years old kid having such commitment. It's like this guy said:

Originally Posted by Proto

(...) Hiromo and Kayo, two people who were originally supposed to be dead got together and had a child literally called Future. It's truly one of the best possible rewards Satoru could expect for his efforts.

I'm sad to read that the anime is already having original scenes and deviating from the manga. It is not needed to be a manga reader to notice that this final episodes were way too rushed. Too bad they decided to do that in the most important part of the story, but having only 12 episodes i was kinda of expecting it to happen. Guess i will have to read the manga if i want to get to know the real author's work and proper character closure. It sucks being an anime only viewer, especially when i'm enjoying the story this much...

[RDNexus]

Anime-only Viewers don't seem to understand that most stories adapted from a source material (Manga, LN, VN, Game, etc) are intended to garner people's interest in those through the adaptation.
It's unfortunate that one can't simply enjoy a story through it's Anime series (especially those who simply prefer to stubbornly refuse to check the source materials) but that's how things are going.

[BWTraveller]

Originally Posted by xrick

Anime-only Viewers don't seem to understand that most stories adapted from a source material (Manga, LN, VN, Game, etc) are intended to garner people's interest in those through the adaptation.
It's unfortunate that one can't simply enjoy a story through it's Anime series (especially those who simply prefer to stubbornly refuse to check the source materials) but that's how things are going.

I doubt that's the only reason anime is made from a manga. I don't know how much connection there is between the companies that make the anime and the ones that make the manga, but I doubt the people who profit directly from the anime get that much profit from the manga in most cases, so while a manga artist or publisher might push to have an anime made based on something on account of sales benefits, I rather suspect that the people who are actually making the anime want to make something that people will seriously watch. Getting good ratings and praise also helps the career by increasing the creator's fame. Long story short, while I certainly have seen a few shows that I'll believe were made solely to promote a book/manga, I seriously doubt that as many adaptations as some say were made with that as the central purpose. OVAs I'll certainly believe since these days they're often produced with a much stronger connection to the original creators, even being sold together with manga in many cases. But TV has too many other people looking for their own type of profit to really allow that many works to get away with being nothing more than 4 hours of advertisement for the LN or manga.

Additionally, this series in particular doesn't seem to be that. Up until episode 10 they were showing an incredible degree of faith and dedication to producing a work worth watching as well as one that holds to the original. It doesn't feel like the story was a bunch of "read the book if you liked this". Instead, it feels like they went in thinking they'd be able to do the entire story in one season, but there was too much they couldn't trim and thus they wound up with a minimum 13 or 14-episode story that had to be told in 12 episodes. I don't know how much forward planning they do, but it almost feels like they came to this realization only an episode or two ago, since it had such a sudden switch from taking the time to make it beautiful to cramming as much into each minute as possible in a race to the finish.