Netsuzou TRap Anticipation

[Eisdrache]

Elaboration? I wonder what exactly is elaborate about 'every single shitty offensive cliche for yuri'.

Regardless just like you didn't mention why it's so awful (NTR! It's bad because it always is!) I felt that additionally to my initial statement about the characters rather than the story, a one-liner would be enough to address that Netsuzou Trap isn't as bad as you are implying.

Reading through this and the Citrus thread one would think the end is coming but it's mostly just the usual rambling of a certain manga being adapted rather than someone's favourite other story.

[Kuroageha]

Whether you like or not Eisdrache everyone is entitled to their opinion and so far this series, Netsuzou Trap has been critizised a lot for the glaring flaws on its writing(yaoi-style consent issues) and characters (the main heroines).
There certainly are far good titles on the yuri genre on the same magazine that would have been better picks for an adaptation and Netsuzou Trap isn't one of them (to make it wors it gives endless ammo for those who hate yuri).

[Archon_Wing]

Originally Posted by Eisdrache

Elaboration? I wonder what exactly is elaborate about 'every single shitty offensive cliche for yuri'.

Regardless just like you didn't mention why it's so awful (NTR! It's bad because it always is!) I felt that additionally to my initial statement about the characters rather than the story, a one-liner would be enough to address that Netsuzou Trap isn't as bad as you are implying.

What I meant is that you could have elaborated with why you don't think it's crap, or why you think it has quality. Instead of just "nonsense, it's not as bad as you claim it to be". Then you would have actually had an opinion beyond trying to negate mine.

The problem with your argument, is that you're going out of your way to disprove my opinion, instead of coming up with an opinion of your own. I understand that's standard for a political debate but much like those it gets little done. It's rather hard to prove an opinion wrong as you are doing, and I've never claimed you are wrong either. Instead of trying to act like some kind of objective arbitrator that decides which opinions are right and wrong, it'd do you (and the material) favors to bring up your side of the story.

And again , it's very hard for me to not go into spoilers. But on a fundamental level, I would say the two female characters involved have a very annoying dynamic that I have seen elsewhere repeatedly pushed in yuri and yaoi and I find it not only boring but also offensive. This touches upon the "cliche" part. In the end, I can't take the characters into a sympathetic light as people. I understand the story might have nuances that I might have missed due to certain biases , I wouldn't doubt that. However, I remain highly skeptical.

I honestly think you're running under a faulty assumption that this story deserves a fair chance for granted.

I said that NTR is generally attuned to being crap, but I didn't dissuade the possibility that there might be some that aren't bad.

Reading through this and the Citrus thread one would think the end is coming

That honestly seems to be an invention on your part in this thread. All that has really been said is that some people including myself would have wanted something else animated. (Hint: Maybe we don't all unilaterally hate something because of the summary)

[kuromitsu]

Eeeh, I'm also fairly disappointed that it's these two series that get adapted. Content aside, whyyyy wangsty melodramatic high school romance dramas again? Eh.

But then Yuri Hime was pretty meh in general the last time I read it (Yuri Shimai was far better, at least in its best days) so I haven't been reading it for a long while and don't know if it has any better offerings...

[Eisdrache]

Originally Posted by Kuroageha

Whether you like or not Eisdrache everyone is entitled to their opinion and so far this series, Netsuzou Trap has been critizised a lot for the glaring flaws on its writing(yaoi-style consent issues) and characters (the main heroines).

What does entitlement have to do with this? I never said that anyone can't have their own opinion about this but I can argue it.

Originally Posted by Archon_Wing

What I meant is that you could have elaborated with why you don't think it's crap, or why you think it has quality. Instead of just "nonsense, it's not as bad as you claim it to be". Then you would have actually had an opinion beyond trying to negate mine.

I did. Sure I could have written paragraphs about being interested in how Hotaru's and Yuma's relationship will work out, about Hotaru's injury, about whether or not the guy gets what he deserves in the end, about Takeda and his insecurities, about how all of this is interesting enough to keep me reading, and so on. Not only would that be in spoiler territory but I didn't believe it to be necessary to list everything there.

Originally Posted by Archon_Wing

I honestly think you're running under a faulty assumption that this story deserves a fair chance for granted.

Why wouldn't it? As long as there are enough people interested in it anything deserves a fair chance. I could go on a tangent about how stuff like Battle through the Heavens or Fuuka are going to be adapted but I'm not going to deny them their chance.

Originally Posted by Archon_Wing

That honestly seems to be an invention on your part in this thread. All that has really been said is that some people including myself would have wanted something else animated. (Hint: Maybe we don't all unilaterally hate something because of the summary)

The comments range from trash to why not animate this instead in either thread, although the reception to the news has been overly negative. Perhaps 'the end' is somewhat strong usage but trashing it before it has even aired does tell a lot.

[Archon_Wing]

Originally Posted by Eisdrache

What does entitlement have to do with this? I never said that anyone can't have their own opinion about this but I can argue it.



I did. Sure I could have written paragraphs about being interested in how Hotaru's and Yuma's relationship will work out, about Hotaru's injury, about whether or not the guy gets what he deserves in the end, about Takeda and his insecurities, about how all of this is interesting enough to keep me reading, and so on. Not only would that be in spoiler territory but I didn't believe it to be necessary to list everything there.

That sounds fine and you could have made it vaguer. At least that sounds better than saying that it isn't that nsfw and annoying characters don't make a show bad. While true, it it is hardly enough to dismiss my opinion as nonsense because opinions aren't mutually exclusive.Also that is a far cry from listing everything.

Why wouldn't it? As long as there are enough people interested in it anything deserves a fair chance. I could go on a tangent about how stuff like Battle through the Heavens or Fuuka are going to be adapted but I'm not going to deny them their chance.

Key word: for granted.

The comments range from trash to why not animate this instead in either thread, although the reception to the news has been overly negative. Perhaps 'the end' is somewhat strong usage but trashing it before it has even aired does tell a lot.

So? Its reputation precedes itself. It is hardly being blown out of proportion and maybe the anime will change things. But in any case, it is yet another indicator that you are focusing too much on other people's intentions and biases and that doesn't do anyone any favors.

[Ravagerblade]

So in the end, NTR is bad all-round. Once a cheater always a cheater. Lesson to learn like how Triangle Blue is.

Though I don't really like either of the two guys in the manga. Even the one guy with the MC still seems a bit Toolish.

[Kitsu Breaker]

Okay, the reason this get adapted because is very popular fallowing Citrus.
The reason that this will be rage inducing is not exacly because the character are anoying, this kinda redundant:
Basically because the main girls are been dating/touched/kiss boys, that is very unliked by yurifans who mostly want pure yuri characters, the boys are also relevant in the entirely manga make very unconfortable read since they are not defeated relactive quickly like happend on Girlfriend.
Also since this is a hentai plot, they use some discusting logic like

Spoiler for spoiler:

dangerous 3P , LUCKYLY never happend

Probably will be more confortable it was only girls, proof was Two and Two who also cheating but between girls and that why never cause so many polemic like this one.

[Kuroageha]

Originally Posted by Ravagerblade

So in the end, NTR is bad all-round. Once a cheater always a cheater.

The problem is the bad writing from mediocre writers jumping into the wagon, not the genre itself.

Lesson to learn like how Triangle Blue is.

Only if you played the shitty adaptation by Poro studio.

Though I don't really like either of the two guys in the manga. Even the one guy with the MC still seems a bit Toolish.

YMMV even Yurihime readers like one of them a lot despite not being a main character, can't blame them seeing how terrible the heroines are.

@Kitsu Breaker
Nope, you couldn't even be more wrong.

[Key Board]

It's a bit surreal how both NTR and Citrus, the trashiest of the series running in Yuri Hime are the ones that are getting an anime adaptation

but I understand that sex sells

[Marcus H.]

Why not Hoshikawa Ginza Yonchome?
Or is lemon yuri something that cannot be portrayed positively?

[darkchibi07]

Originally Posted by Key Board

It's a bit surreal how both NTR and Citrus, the trashiest of the series running in Yuri Hime are the ones that are getting an anime adaptation

but I understand that sex sells

Though the approach is rather different which makes it fascinating and uncharted. This is not like Valkyrie Drive or Sakura Trick where it's aimed for the male otaku with their obvious fanservice trappings or moe aesthetic. The way NTR and Citrus approaches are more akin to smutty shoujo or dare to say BL.

I am very fascinated how the marketing will go about for these shows considering how the anime industry tends to aim for the opposite gender depending the gender distribution of the main characters.

[Kurohane]

Originally Posted by Marcus H.

Why not Hoshikawa Ginza Yonchome?
Or is lemon yuri something that cannot be portrayed positively?

The age gap is more likely the issue.

[Liddo-kun]

Originally Posted by Kitsu Breaker

Okay, the reason this get adapted because is very popular fallowing Citrus.
The reason that this will be rage inducing is not exacly because the character are anoying, this kinda redundant:
Basically because the main girls are been dating/touched/kiss boys, that is very unliked by yurifans who mostly want pure yuri characters, the boys are also relevant in the entirely manga make very unconfortable read since they are not defeated relactive quickly like happend on Girlfriend.
Also since this is a hentai plot, they use some discusting logic like

Spoiler for spoiler:

dangerous 3P , LUCKYLY never happend

Probably will be more confortable it was only girls, proof was Two and Two who also cheating but between girls and that why never cause so many polemic like this one.

Hmm, if this anime is like that.. it's rather terrible. Well, I would still try 2 eps.. then drop if it is as bad as described in this thread.

[Stark700]

Some cast announced

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news...arashi/.111009

[Peanutbutter]

Originally Posted by Stark700

Some cast announced

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news...arashi/.111009

Stumbled on this after reading threads of Kuzu no Honkai.

The VA for the girls, both I liked. Lovepon x Lion? Hikari x Rossmann-sensei. Bring it!

[FlareKnight]

Should be an interesting one. Could turn out really well or be a really uncomfortable show to watch. If nothing else worth checking out to see what it ends up being.

[Stark700]

New key visual and staff revealed

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news...visual/.112257

[darkchibi07]

Originally Posted by Stark700

New key visual and staff revealed

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news...visual/.112257

That is not the most promising staff since they mostly do shorts.

[Stark700]

Coming for Summer 2017

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/dail...n-july/.113252