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Old 2018-08-09, 08:43   Link #221
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New research on viruses suggest some form "packs" and hide inside spherical sheathes to hide from view until ready to attack.

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It had been thought viruses were all lone wolves, each on a solo campaign of infection.

Instead they can form "packs" of up to 40 viruses and surround themselves with a fatty sphere that makes them invisible to our body's defences.



Experiments, published in the journal Cell Host and Microbe, showed the spheres gave the viruses huge advantages.

The spheres acted like an invisibility cloak that prevents the immune system spotting the viruses
The spheres protected the viruses from harsh environments including stomach acid
And they helped viruses reach their target in larger numbers and overwhelm cells in the intestines
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-45114842

Sounds like some rich new material for our manga-ka, especially the "invisibility cloak."
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Old 2018-08-09, 09:50   Link #222
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New research on viruses suggest some form "packs" and hide inside spherical sheathes to hide from view until ready to attack.



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-45114842

Sounds like some rich new material for our manga-ka, especially the "invisibility cloak."
Clever like Bacteria can cloak themselves. like the Haemophilus influenzae. for example. whenever they hide from white blood cells and A Streptococcus can hide itself been caused the Necrotizing Fasciitis.
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Old 2018-08-09, 09:53   Link #223
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How can Virus form something like an invisibility cloak if they aren't "alive" like our cells and bacteria are?
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Old 2018-08-09, 10:01   Link #224
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More like Changing Receptors been like Antigenic Shift and Antigenic Drift Occurs since Viruses can been mutating faster. https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...0718085117.htm as it says how human cytomegalovirus survives may help in the development of a vaccine, as well as in the fight against other viruses with similar evasive tactics.
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Old 2018-08-09, 14:04   Link #225
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How can Virus form something like an invisibility cloak if they aren't "alive" like our cells and bacteria are?
That's the thing with evolution; you don't need to be alive to exist and to act. It is religion that decided to separate things into the living and unliving, while biology doesn't care.

"Alive" is an artificial term, for human mental convenience. It doesn't really exist anywhere except in our imaginations. That's why science has trouble fitting it into real life. If you can replicate, if you can maintain a population, then you exist. And existing is what evolution cares for, not living. Viruses defend themselves not because they want to or not want to, but because if they they don't then they stop existing.
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Old 2018-08-09, 14:28   Link #226
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Not even that, they don't have any reason to do what they do. They just happen to do that because that's what they do. No choice was made, no variables considered, etc. Just a sort of natural selection that allowed certain mutations to thrive and others to die off.
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Old 2018-08-09, 18:56   Link #227
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That's the thing with evolution; you don't need to be alive to exist and to act. It is religion that decided to separate things into the living and unliving, while biology doesn't care.
I always thought it was a caveman who busted open another caveman's head that distinguished between living and unliving.
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Old 2018-08-09, 19:14   Link #228
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Sounds like some rich new material for our manga-ka, especially the "invisibility cloak."
For a comparision, the granny would be the cedar spore and see if you can spot the "invisible" virus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCkagYixpuc
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Old 2018-08-09, 19:48   Link #229
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Also most pathogenic Bacteria had certain ways to kill white blood cells like Staphylococcus Aureus have their Leukocidin toxins would Disrupts neutrophil membranes and causes discharge of lysosomal granules. Streptococcus pyogenes have it.s Streptolysin can Repels phagocytes and disrupts phagocyte membrane and causes discharge of lysosomal granules. since they have Invasins.
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Old 2018-08-09, 22:57   Link #230
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I always thought it was a caveman who busted open another caveman's head that distinguished between living and unliving.
A useful concept for humans. Not useful in biology. The idea of alive vs dead pre-dates modern science, thus it make sense that it had nothing to do with modern science as a concept.
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Old 2018-08-10, 08:07   Link #231
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Aside from alive and dead, there's also nonliving.

Do viruses really not count as alive?
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Old 2018-08-10, 09:28   Link #232
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Well there isn't any conclusive definition of being of "being alive". So there is that. Viruses are pretty much grey are by most standard. If you want think of them as living all you want.
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Old 2018-08-10, 09:30   Link #233
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Aside from alive and dead, there's also nonliving.

Do viruses really not count as alive?
There’s debate whether viruses count as living. To be alive something has to metabolize nutrients and be able to reproduce. Viruses on their own are metablicly inert (viral particles do not take in and process nutrients) and can only replicate by parasitizing a cell. I’d say most biologists would say on their own, viruses are not “alive”, as they don’t fulfill those two requirements without a host.
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Old 2018-08-10, 09:38   Link #234
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By that stanard mules for example also aren't alive. So yeah this definition is also far from perfect. Virus in comparison can reproduce even if it needs "help". So it's more "alive" then them.

Just playing devil bit of advocate here.
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Old 2018-08-10, 11:52   Link #235
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The heck is a standard mules?
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Old 2018-08-10, 12:04   Link #236
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The heck is a standard mules?
It's "by that standard, mules." Mules are a hybrid of donkeys and horses, and cannot sexually reproduce with anything, not even other mules. They're a dead end.
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Old 2018-08-10, 12:09   Link #237
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Whether virus are living beings is a philosophical debate since the label changes nothing in the way science researches them. IMO they are biological objects or more precisely, pieces of biological code that need a compatible biological computer (a cell) to replicate itself.

A living being can lose/lack the ability to reproduce, but always has the ability to feed (from sunlight at the very least). A virus does not need to feed, you can't starve it since it does not need oxyigen or nutrients, only an environment where it will not degrade until it can reach a cell that executes its code.

Unlike bacteria or fungi, it does not have any kind of active defense, if T cell we able to recognize them in the spot, it would only need to break it apart.
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Old 2018-08-10, 16:18   Link #238
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The heck is a standard mules?
They're the basic bitches of the equine world.
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Old 2018-08-11, 04:09   Link #239
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Whether virus are living beings is a philosophical debate since the label changes nothing in the way science researches them. IMO they are biological objects or more precisely, pieces of biological code that need a compatible biological computer (a cell) to replicate itself.

A living being can lose/lack the ability to reproduce, but always has the ability to feed (from sunlight at the very least). A virus does not need to feed, you can't starve it since it does not need oxyigen or nutrients, only an environment where it will not degrade until it can reach a cell that executes its code.

Unlike bacteria or fungi, it does not have any kind of active defense, if T cell we able to recognize them in the spot, it would only need to break it apart.
So a virus is kind of like.... A virus?
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Old 2018-08-11, 07:44   Link #240
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So a virus is kind of like.... A virus?
Surprisingly, yes .
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