Campione!(カンピオーネ!) [Light Novel]

[Feng Lengshun]

^ Nope. She she seems to be an actual Goddess. Even the narration on the V10 Epilogue seems to point it to be so.

^ ^ Well, I guess saying "It's magic" is a good enough excuse because as far as I know, for it to be in GEO it requires to follow the Earth's rotation in the Orbit while still remaining in space despite the gravity. Being in a Lagrangian Point should solve the problem of remaining in space without the need of any thrusting device to do it, especially if it is located on a Trojan Asteroid thus also fulfilling the part of "being on a patch of land".

[Hidfe]

Originally Posted by Algester

perhaps this time Godou will gain Athena's authority properly and not just some black hole sword

You do realize that this is one of the strongest (if not strongest) attacks we have seen so far and he barely mastered it.

Originally Posted by Algester

all in preparation for a bigger fight well of to this sailing ship, unless she becomes a harem member... unlikely but still her talent is needed by Godou just as she promised and hopefully she's rightfully Godou's

Gaining more authorities could actually be a bad thing when fighting the King of the End.
"The inevitable encounter with the arriving 'Arrowhead' will undoubtedly prove to be a threat. However, ill fate is not everything it entails. Although it is not a certain goddess' box, when all disasters are over, hope will surely appear."
"Hope huh."
Watching Godou's face as he muttered to himself, the princess nodded.
"Fufu, among all god-slayers in history, your attitude towards power is especially free and unfettered. Perhaps because of that, you might obtain power instead. I—once known in the past as... The Goddess' Daughter, pray for your victorious fortune in battle, Kusanagi-sama!"

My personal theory is that the anti campione authority of the „King that comes at the worlds end” depends on how many authorities the Campione has.

Originally Posted by blackwhite67

That's not possible. Athena was reborn as a Divine Ancestor to serve as Guinivere's replacement in awakening the king of the End. Authorities can only be gained from Heretic Gods.

It was explicitly said that the power of a divine ancestor is not enough to awaken the Campione Slayer and this is why Guinevera brought back Athena as a goddess to awaken him.

[anonfr]

Originally Posted by Feng Lengshun

^ Doubt it. Strictly speaking, Melqart is even more related to Hercules, being called the prototype of him and all. Not to mention, Prometheus aren't related to the Argonauts at all. And while I do realize he also has connection with Lucifer, I doubt the Author would actually use it (so the condition of present in the whole Eurasia aren't fulfilled).

I think you don't realize how closely Prometheus and Hercules are connected.

I didn't just randomly go "Prometheus is the king of the end" without putting any serious thought into it.

I put a lot of thought into it. I really, really did.

Spoiler for I'll just put all my thoughts right here..:

So, I'm not sure if this would be the right place to post a theory but I'm scared of getting laughed out of the forums and wanted to put this somewhere. So anyway wouldn't it be a safe bet to think that the king of the end is Prometheus?

I mean he's King Arthur, like king arthur before the one accidentally created by Gwen showed up, but he's proto arthur which means he's definitely arthur, but couldn't he also be Prometheus? or have a Prometheus base?

firstly, he can definitely be identified as a god of steel from the same rules as the other gods. He was born of Clymene a water goddess hailed from Oceanus, which makes him born of water, he was imprisoned on a mountain, and he's mostly associated with fire. all of these are throughout the series shown as undeniable traits of Steel. Also I want to assert Prometheus and Heracles eventually become one in the same similar to how Mithras and Perseus, Athena her mother Metis and the monster Medusa are all the same, and how Lancelot and Hippolyta are one in the same (I know it states lancelot can also either be Antiope or Meanippe but my reasoning lead to it being hippolyta). Prometheus is linked to Heracles and King Arthur in the same way most gods encountered so far are amalgamation of several gods spread throughout many cultures.

Firstly the King of the end seems to exist mostly to wipe out campiones, the bastard children of Prometheus's twin brother Epimethius and Pandora. No other mythological anything had as much reason to hold a personal grudge against Epimethius than Prometheus. In lore Prometheus and Epimethius were basically tasked with all of creation, Epimethius created animals and men, but after the creation of nature and animals was expended and had nothing left for men. Prometheus who has various stories making him the biggest patron of man, in this version stole fire and knowledge of civilization to make up for his brothers mistakes. This angered the king of the gods and he was imprisoned. In his anger Zeus imprisoned Prometheus on the mountain. Pandora was created as the first woman, to bring the ruin of the perfect version of mankind that Prometheus created. Epimethius (in some versions eagerly) took her as his wife, against the advice of and to the chagrin of Prometheus. Also Prometheus and Epimethius are the root for the terms "forethought, afterthought" Prometheus being "forethought". This can translate to planning ahead, thinking things through, using logic, considering consequences, in simplest terms common sense. So, Prometheus, my theory for king of the end of era's and Campione Slayer, is the god of common sense. The god of common sense wants to kill Campiones. hmm.

So I think that Heracles and Prometheus are the same person, I also think that Prometheus while leaking out characteristics all his own mostly embodies Excalibur. Firstly the sword in the stone. In the series the king of the end literally exists as a sword in the stone where he sleeps. The traits of Excalibur can embody all related swords to Excalibur as well, such as caliburn. Caliburn granted immortality and regeneration, another trait of steal, the conditions of which were Arthur must carry the sword and it heals him upon being sheathed, so long as he held it he could not fall (remember fate/stay night?) Prometheus chained to the mountain remained Immortal though he was killed everyday, he regenerated, in some lore he was set ablaze and restored like a pheonix, in other lore he just kind of got better? either way in my argument that he is literally a sword, this = Caliburn/Excalibur. Also the metal that chained him is famous as being adamant or adamantine, famous for being the same metal which forged Zeus's sickle for slaying Cronus, and the sword Perseus used to slay Medusa (that has to be relevant). I believe adamant chaining him to the mountain relates to him being a sword. He was also born of a water goddess the same way excalibur was made by the lady of the lake. Also when he was freed an earth diety, namely a centaur chiron, which can be seen as a sacrifice of an earth god to forge steel. Eventually he was Visited by Io, in lore Io was an ancestor of Sparta, Perseus (that has to be relevant), Minos (the same one Alec killed investigating the holy grail, a relic related to the king of the end) When Prometheus meet's Io she is in the form of a cow stricken with Madness and he comforts her with the knowledge her bloodline will one day spawn the greatest of all heroes Heracles. Since I'm asserting Heracles and Prometheus to eventually become the same person, I see this as an allusion to the once and future king and he is essentially predicting his future self. Also elements of Prometheus's traits and knowledge can be translated to the holy grail. Prometheus has counterparts in many lore, in paradise lost some of his traits can be found in future jesus, for example. Holy grail has a latin root San greal and a latin pun sang real. San greal means holy grail, sang real means royal blood. in many stories it translates that the blood of Christ is offered in the grail or holy chalice, and the powers it gives are one of infinite knowledge and immortality, both traits of Prometheus.

Eventually Prometheus was found by Heracles in one of his labors, where his chains were stricken and he was pulled from the mountain, if Prometheus is a sword this is pulling a sword from a stone, as in king Arthur. Heracles as a generalized Character shares many traits with Arthur and as a god has relations to other gods that appear within the series. Arthur was conceived when Uthur changed his form to decided Igraine, under the guise of her husband. Heracles was conceived when Zeus transformed into amphitryon to decieve Alcmene, who later birthed Heracles. This is just one example of similar origin. Other than the basic similarities I can draw more comparisons but I'm starting to see how long it is so I'll skip to the next part.

Sun Wukong was thought to be the king of the end, he's paralleled with Prometheus, and some aspects of Heracles. One he rebelled against the gods, was imprisoned in a mountain, they're also noted for both being thieves.
with Heracles he's associated with absolute might, as well as horses and stables. Heracles is closely related to the amazon's that serve as candidates for Lancelot de Lac, namely Hippotlyta the objective one of his labors which he had submit to him for his objective, even the versions without Theseus. Also he's closely related to Odysseus, even if you forgo all of the obvious ones his Bow played a huge part in the Trojan war, it was used to pierce the Trojan walls and an arrow from his quiver dipped in hydra's blood was used to kill Paris. There's also his relationship with the Argonauts and all of his other quests.

As for how Heracles could become Arthur, that can also be reasonably explained or bullshitted even. In constellations there's a star called Arcturus. The star borders or overlaps Hercules and the Hydra, and this connection can be justified through the Romans. The Romans are the main culture that is closely related to both ancient Greece and England. if this constellation is mistaken as part of Hercules, then Hercules = Arcturus. part of the lore behind the star is similar to Hercules, namely Arcas. Arcas was a child of Zeus born through deception the same way, raised away from him the same way, he's noted for being a huntsman closely related to Artemis, so the bow and arrow thing stays relevant, on a side note his grandfather was Lycaon who was noted to become the first werewolf (Relevant?) because of his trickery against Zeus similar to Prometheus and Sun Wukong against Buddha. He's also associated with agriculture, horse stables, plowing fields, things like that. So it can go like Hercules = Arcas -> Arcterus -> Arturus -> Arturo -> Artur -> Arthur. or something like that.

Anyway, if a god that Amalgamated Arthur, Heracles, and Prometheus existed, his authorities would be absolute might, immortality, all the combat aspects of steal, but also a god of creation. Most importantly he'd be able to steal authorities the same way Prometheus stole the fire of Olympus, or even how his tablet stole Verathagana's abilities in volume 3? I forget. But anyway, he'd assumingly be able to steal authorities, and the king of the end is known to attack other gods since he chased susanoo to the intermediate world. This could be related to all the divine artifacts that hold a gods power, like the Gorgonian, Herion, and the stone that keeps stealing all the steel authorities from Godou. So if he was the campione slayer, he'd arguably be able to systematically steal the authorities away from the campiones regardless of what it is and cut them down, along with the other abilities from Heracles who is known to be unstoppable and Arthur who is also known to be unstoppable. And Melquart is kind of another example of relation since he's related to Hercules as a prototype. this doesn't mean he actually is Hercules, the same way the king of the end isn't actually king arthur. plus Hercules is known to have more than one form at completely different times.

"Herackles was the beloved son of Zeus, and the mortal Alcmene. He was the archetype for bravery and living proof that might-makes right.
Herakles died just prior to the Trojan War.
The labours of Herakles and the Quest for the Golden Fleece were the highlights of Herakles' life.
For better understanding of my answer, we called this Herakles ..... the traditional Herakles .

As we dig deeper into his other deeds, we are confronted with the fact that Herakles also unchained Promotheus from the Caucasus mountains. The encounter with Prometheus took place at the dawn of human existence and can in no way be reconciled with the time in which the traditional Herakles lived. There must therefore in existence the presence of an ancient Herakles who freed Prometheus, and who lived tens of thousands of years before the traditional Herakles.
With these facts in mind , we can assume the deeds and exploits of the two Herakles have had been blended and blurred to reflect the life of one individual.

Diodorus Siculus - the Historian stated his belief that there were three different heroes/gods named Herakles.
The first Herakles was descended from the Heifer-Maidens in Egypt. He exceeded all men in his strength and valour.
The second Herakles was one of the Idaean Daktyls who were named after the mountains on which they lived .....Mount Ida. They were best known as excellent metal-workers.

The third would presumably be versions we're more familiar with"

This can be interpreted as a different version of him existed every thousand years since Prometheus. Like another certain someone that manifests every thousand years.

I know a lot of this is a bit of a stretch, but in my defense Campione lore in general is a bit of a stretch, I feel like with this in mind my theory at least has legs to stand on, and might even be considered plausible. I'm not even trying to say that I'm right and this version of lore I put together is the king of the end, but I just couldn't come up with anything else that fit in every aspect of what I know so far. nothing connects the dots better than this. I hope instead of receiving criticism you'll see this as food for thought and maybe someone will come up with something even more plausible. I honestly have even more comparisons and details I can add in, but that would be a lot more for me to write and you to read and I feel like I'm barely coherent, I just honestly have been trying to connect dots with the king of the end this whole time and this is what I've come up with.

[Kadi]

Very, very interesting...

So, how do you explain that the "biggest patron of mankind" would systematically defeat the "protectors of mankind from rampaging gods"? Wouldn't he rather be anti-god?

Also, why would Susanoo call him "brat"?


You made the rest sound very fitting, though. Especially the part with the multiple Hercules...ses? ...



Edit: You seem to have done a lot of research already, so maybe you can tell me... what are his relationships with Athena and Hecate?

[anonfr]

Originally Posted by Kadi

Very, very interesting...

So, how do you explain that the "biggest patron of mankind" would systematically defeat the "protectors of mankind from rampaging gods"? Wouldn't he rather be anti-god?

Also, why would Susanoo call him "brat"?


You made the rest sound very fitting, though. Especially the part with the multiple Hercules...ses? ...



Edit: You seem to have done a lot of research already, so maybe you can tell me... what are his relationships with Athena and Hecate?

Ahh I already said my theory was rough so I can't rationalize everything. but why wouldn't the biggest patron of mankind want to kill campiones? they're walking disasters that defy common sense, leave all sorts of destruction in their wake, they're considered enemies of mankind as much as their protectors. if anything his reasoning can be similar to Erlang. I think the king of the end is kind of against everything, if I'm right about his relation to Prometheus it'd only be natural for him to attack other gods, and he has motive against everything having to do with Epimethius and Pandora. Basically, if he achieved absolute victory it'd take the world Campione is set in and make it so there's no more gods or Campiones, it'd just be normal. Once again this is just me rationalizing though.

As for his relationship with Athena, that can be interpreted in at least 2 ways. Firstly there's his relation as the great grandson of Perseus and they share the same ancestor of Io. I found this explanation that can kind of justify that on it's own.

Spoiler for Perseus:

Io is really related to Hercules, but it a long line of family.Well here we go!

It all started when Io had a son with Zeus, which the name is Epaphus. Later on, Epaphus had a two daughters with Memphis, Libya and Lysianassa. Libya then had twin sons with the sea god Poseidon, who names are Agenor and Belus. Belus the had twin sons with Achiroe, who names are Danaus and Aegyptus.

Later on, Danaus had 50 daughter from many wives and Aegyptus had 50 sons from many wives. Aegyptus commanded that his 50 sons marry the 50 daughters of Danaus, but not before Danaus told his daughters to kill their husbands on the wedding night. All the daughters did what their father said except Hypermnestra, who didn't kill her husband Lynceus because Lynceus honored Hypermnestra wish to remain a virgin.Danaus was angry with his disobedient daughter and threw her to the Argive courts. Aphrodite saved her. Lynceus later killed Danaus as revenge for the death of his brothers.

Lynceus and Hypermnestra then began a dynasty of Argive kings. Later on, their son, Abas the furture twelfth king of Argos was born.When Abas was crown twelfth king of Argos and many times after that, with his wife,Ocalea had given birth to the twins Acrisius and Proetus and Lyrcos, and one daughter, Idomene.

When Abas died,Acrisius expelled his twin brother, Proetus from his inheritance. Later on, Proetus returned, and Acrisius was compelled to share his kingdom with his brother by giving Tiryns to him, while Acrisius retained Argos for himself.Soon Acrisius had a daughter, Danaë with his wife Eurydice (not the Orpheus' Eurydice).Acrisius was disappointed by not have a heir, he consulted the oracle at Delphi, who warned him that he would one day be killed by his daughter's son. Danaë was childless, so he imprisoned her in a bronze chamber open to the sky in the courtyard of his palace. While Danaë was there, Zeus had intercourse with her in the form of a shower of gold. Danaë became pregnant with Perseus. Acrisius put the child and Danaë in a chest and threw it in the sea. Zeus asked Poseidon to calm the water, in which he did and Danaë and Perseus survived, washing up on the island of Seriphos. A fisherman named Dictys, brother of king Polydectes, found the pair and took care of them.

Perseus grew up there and it was in this island that started the hunt for the head Medusa. Polydectes fell in love with Danaë, yet Perseus constantly protected his mother from him. Polydectes desired to remove Perseus from the island so he could have Danaë, so he therefore hatched a plot to send him away in disgrace. Polydectes held a large banquet where each guest was expected to bring a gift. Polydectes requested that the guests bring horses, under the pretense that he was collecting contributions for the hand of Hippodamia.Perseus had no horse to give, so asked Polydectes to name the gift, for he would not refuse it. Polydectes held Perseus to his rash promise, demanding the head of the only mortal Gorgon, Medusa.As you know, Perseus kill and got the head of Medusa.

On the way back to Seriphos Island, Perseus stopped in the kingdom of Ethiopia. Ethiopia was ruled by King Cepheus and Queen Cassiopeia. Cassiopeia, having boasted herself equal in beauty to the Nereids, drew down the anger of Poseidon, who sent sea serpent, Cetus, which destroyed man and beast. The oracle of Ammon announced that no relief would be found until the king sacrifice his daughter Andromeda to the monster, and so she was fastened to a rock on the shore. Perseus slew the monster and, setting her free, claimed her in marriage.
On returning to Seriphos and discovering that his mother had to take refuge from the violent advances of Polydectes, Perseus killed him with Medusa's head, and made his brother Dictys the king and consort of Danaë.

Perseus and Danaë returned to Argos but King Acrisius had gone to Larissa. When Perseus arrived in Larissa, he participated in some funeral games and accidentally struck Acrisius on the head with a discus, killing him and accomplishing the prophecy.Perseus and Andromeda had seven sons: Perses, Alcaeus, Heleus, Mestor, Sthenelus, Electryon, and Cynurus, and two daughters, Gorgophone, and Autochthoe

It was Alcaeus who continue the generation leading to Hercules. Alcaeus became the father of Amphitryon, Anaxo and Perimede with his wife,Hipponome. As you may know Amphitryon became the husband of Alcmene.During Amphitryon's expedition against the Taphians and Teleboans, Zeus visited Alcmene disguised as Amphitryon and sleep with her. In which gave birth to Hercules and later on, his half-brother, Iphicles by Amphitryon.

There's a lot of extra and unrelated information in there, but I figured I should just give all of it for a full understanding of the family tree, since I feel like Io if she ever pops up (which I doubt) would be related to earth and that can be important. Also Heracles kind of stands against campione's Athena in a very absolute way. She's an earth goddess, heracles killed the hydra, along with several other agriculturally and earth related creatures that bear significance in mythology. like the Nemean lion, Erymanthian Boar, Mares of Diomedes (horses = earth and also can equal Dragons apparently), Cretan Bull, and the cattle of Geryon. Also on top of that he invaded the underworld, Athena's domain, he overcame death with his pure and absolute might, and he stole Cerberus. this also might be a bit of a stretch but if you were athena, wouldn't you kind of really hate that guy after all of that? with everything Athena stands for and all that. Also when I was looking up stories with Athena, there's several sources stating that She also came to the aid of Heracles during his labors and fought on the side of the Greeks during the Trojan War. I've already stated that Heracles has a connection with the trojan war via his bow, but Athena assisted him the same way Athena is known to have assisted Perseus. so. that?

Hecate I'm a little less knowledgeable about. I know she has lore in the same location. Heracles is considered a hero of Thrace, as well as related to sparta and the original king Spartacus, Hecate was also a goddess based in Thrace. if you force it you can say she's connected to Prometheus since she's a bearer of the 2 Torches (flame of Olympus) and a follower of Helios (flame of olympus). Hecate is also a comrade of Prometheus considering she's also a titan that took the Olympians side in the war against the titans and the gods, so there's that. I know that she's related strongly to Artemis which can be associated with anything having to do with hunting (like Arcas who I mentioned before. and the Bow's of Odysseus and Heracles). She can be considered in opposition to heracles as she's (simply put) the goddess of a happy home life, blessings to family and particularly children, and heracles slaughtered his family in madness in some lore. she also appears in Aeschylus which is basically a tablet considered the primary source for most greek mythology, it also features the myrmidons Achilles fought with, and Heracles and Prometheus. Though all of this is just rationalizing and Hecate is probably the hardest to link, but those are the connections I know of, even if they're extremely basic.

and susanoo calling him a brat? I honestly don't have much of an answer for that. In various lore Heracles and Arthur are considered to be a bit immature. Described as boyish, bullheaded, having a might makes right single minded chivalrous attitude. in a way the various quests and labors are their coming of age, they grow and learn wisdom and humility as well as a strong sense of right and wrong, though they're always noted for being arrogant. Maybe susanoo is referring to these various aspects of his character? other than Prometheus being entombed and the behavior of Heracles and Arthur towards the end of their lives, I really don't know why Susanoo would call them "lazybones" either.

Like I said ever since they brought up the king of the end I've been racking all my mythology classroom/video game/anime knowledge to try and figure it out. I thought of gilgamesh, seigfried, norse characters and every sword in the stone figure I could think of. when I put all of this together, noted that a lot of it could be subtle foreshadowing (even Alec's authority of from the archangel Raphiel can be a related to Lucifer who has similar traits to Prometheus , though that'd be a HUGE stretch. a better one would be minos, a blood relative of heracles, who was slayed by theseus, who traveled to the amazon isles with Heracles. still. a stretch) when I put it all together in my head, it was the only dots that connected at all.

I won't ever assert I'm right or that you have to believe me, I could be COMPLETELY wrong, maybe there's another god that has all of these traits in common in a much more basic way that would be more correct. I just ya know, wanted to share my theory, get a second opinion, broaden my horizons and all that. so, those are my answers.

[Feng Lengshun]

Originally Posted by anonfr

I think you don't realize how closely Prometheus and Hercules are connected.

I didn't just randomly go "Prometheus is the king of the end" without putting any serious thought into it.

I put a lot of thought into it. I really, really did.


I know a lot of this is a bit of a stretch, but in my defense Campione lore in general is a bit of a stretch, I feel like with this in mind my theory at least has legs to stand on, and might even be considered plausible. I'm not even trying to say that I'm right and this version of lore I put together is the king of the end, but I just couldn't come up with anything else that fit in every aspect of what I know so far. nothing connects the dots better than this. I hope instead of receiving criticism you'll see this as food for thought and maybe someone will come up with something even more plausible. I honestly have even more comparisons and details I can add in, but that would be a lot more for me to write and you to read and I feel like I'm barely coherent, I just honestly have been trying to connect dots with the king of the end this whole time and this is what I've come up with.

I know quite some about him. I should, considering that I researched about him for my Campione-Mondaiji fanfic, although I connect him more with Lucifer/Satan and Fire Worship. And honestly, just as likely your explanation is, I think that my explanation is just as likely to be correct.

I honestly think that the most likely base for Artus is the God of Bear Cult, among the earliest in mankind's worships. The name Arthur and Artus can be traced back to the word Bear.

Spoiler for Etymology of Bear:

The reconstructed Proto-Indo-European name of the bear is *h₂ŕ̥tḱos, whence Sanskrit r̥kṣa, Avestan arša, Greek ἄρκτος (arktos), Latin ursus, Welsh arth (whence perhaps "Arthur"), Albanian ari, Armenian արջ (arj). Also compared is Hittite ḫartagga-, the name of a monster or predator. In the binomial name of the brown bear, Ursus arctos, Linnaeus simply combined the Latin and Greek names.

Here is my own reasoning why it could be the Bear Cult:

Spoiler for Artus and Bears:

It transcended the concept of Oriental-Occidental being among the earliest worships and all that, plus the "Out of Africa" theory, you can say that it originated somewhere in Africa, connecting him Athena who was said to be originally from Africa. Around the time the worship was theorized to have originated, homo sapiens had only reached Near East to South Asia at most, fulfilling the condition of "more towards Oriental."

The belief that Bears live inside a cave also connects it with Sun Wukong who was trapped inside the Earth. Traditionally, the entrance to the Underworld has been called to be a cave. Bears are revered as having rough/strong skin in addition to being strong and ferocious, to the point of God in Hebrew Bible using it in one metaphor, just like the many [Steel]. You can say that the Bear God was the precursor to [Steel], thus the earliest and possibly why the strongest [Steel].

The fact that many Goddesses has relations to Bears might also explain the fascination the Divine Ancestors has with him. The name Arthur/Artus could just him simply saying the first thing that comes to his mind when asked for name. I mean seriously, look at the connection it has with what is theorized to be among the earliest of human's worships. All the connections with Argonauts simply came from his and his bands of warrior's adventure later.

And honestly, I would think twice before facing against someone that was essentially known as the animal that was human's primal fear since the prehistoric age. But more seriously, it really depends on "A certain point of view." Just as your theory is valid "from a certain point of view," my theory is kind of valid too.

Best thing is, I put it all together in less than half an hour research on Wikipedia inspired by my memories of it when I was researching about Fire Worship and the connection with Prometheus. See, it doesn't matter how much research you put on it because I could pull out a convincing theory (in my Point of View) just with a short time amount of research too.

[anonfr]

Originally Posted by Feng Lengshun

I know quite some about him. I should, considering that I researched about him for my Campione-Mondaiji fanfic, although I connect him more with Lucifer/Satan and Fire Worship. And honestly, just as likely your explanation is, I think that my explanation is just as likely to be correct.

I honestly think that the most likely base for Artus is the God of Bear Cult, among the earliest in mankind's worships. The name Arthur and Artus can be traced back to the word Bear.

Spoiler for Etymology of Bear:

The reconstructed Proto-Indo-European name of the bear is *h₂ŕ̥tḱos, whence Sanskrit r̥kṣa, Avestan arša, Greek ἄρκτος (arktos), Latin ursus, Welsh arth (whence perhaps "Arthur"), Albanian ari, Armenian արջ (arj). Also compared is Hittite ḫartagga-, the name of a monster or predator. In the binomial name of the brown bear, Ursus arctos, Linnaeus simply combined the Latin and Greek names.

Here is my own reasoning why it could be the Bear Cult:

Spoiler for Artus and Bears:

It transcended the concept of Oriental-Occidental being among the earliest worships and all that, plus the "Out of Africa" theory, you can say that it originated somewhere in Africa, connecting him Athena who was said to be originally from Africa. Around the time the worship was theorized to have originated, homo sapiens had only reached Near East to South Asia at most, fulfilling the condition of "more towards Oriental."

The belief that Bears live inside a cave also connects it with Sun Wukong who was trapped inside the Earth. Traditionally, the entrance to the Underworld has been called to be a cave. Bears are revered as having rough/strong skin in addition to being strong and ferocious, to the point of God in Hebrew Bible using it in one metaphor, just like the many [Steel]. You can say that the Bear God was the precursor to [Steel], thus the earliest and possibly why the strongest [Steel].

The fact that many Goddesses has relations to Bears might also explain the fascination the Divine Ancestors has with him. The name Arthur/Artus could just him simply saying the first thing that comes to his mind when asked for name. I mean seriously, look at the connection it has with what is theorized to be among the earliest of human's worships. All the connections with Argonauts simply came from his and his bands of warrior's adventure later.

And honestly, I would think twice before facing against someone that was essentially known as the animal that was human's primal fear since the prehistoric age. But more seriously, it really depends on "A certain point of view." Just as your theory is valid "from a certain point of view," my theory is kind of valid too.

Best thing is, I put it all together in less than half an hour research on Wikipedia inspired by my memories of it when I was researching about Fire Worship and the connection with Prometheus. See, it doesn't matter how much research you put on it because I could pull out a convincing theory (in my Point of View) just with a short time amount of research too.

I already said, you putting out a convincing theory is the exact reason I put out mine. I don't want to be like "I'm right, you're wrong." I want to gain outside opinions and try to gain a conclusion.

and the thing is my theory connects to yours. I realated Hercules to Arcas through their star constellations and similar origin. Arcas and Artus are in a lot of ways, basically the same. Arcas is connected to Ursa major and Ursa minor. the story of his lore is that after Zeus conceived Arcas with Callisto, Hera cursed Callisto and turned her into a bear. Towards the end of Arcas's story, he was out hunting and his mother (in her bear form) saw him and started running toward her beloved son. Arcas, seeing this huge bear running toward him, tried to shoot her dead. Zeus interfered, and cast them both into the sky as constellation represented by a huntsman and a bear.

therefore Arcas = Artus. and if you read over my theory I already connected Arcas to Hercules with their overlapping constellations and similar origin stories.

You're right, all the research I do might not mean anything since everything is valid from a certain point of view, but in a way your point of view helps prove mine, you even made a stronger connection to sun wukong than I had previously. and I wouldn't be able to notice that or make the connection without doing any research. So, I feel like it helps a little. besides the whole point of my research was to help someone else come up with a more valid theory than mine. like I said, instead of criticism, I really just want to receive more information.

[Feng Lengshun]

^ Sure, whatevs. And I thought I stopped thinking about Artus' origins a few months ago... well, anyway, I'm going with Occam's Razor here. The theory of Artus being Prometheus is way too complicated you cannot put it into 3-5 paragraphs, which is how long the arguments in the [Warrior]'s spell word of infodropping usually are.

[Kadi]

Originally Posted by anonfr

*more long text*

@brat: Maybe Heracles was a bit immature, but Prometheus was known for thinking ahead...

@Athena: Sorry, no time to read it all right now (although I asked, I know)

@Hecate: Well, the less links there are between your amalgamation and Hecate, the better. But the "Prometheus and Hecate are both rebel titans" seems kinda strong and it makes me doubt the King of the End is Prometheus. After all, she should've only gotten to know him after they came to earth...

[anonfr]

I'm just not very good at being concise. my basic theory is prometheus -> hercules -> artus.

and a lot of what I wrote is just showing connections to all the other gods that appeared so far, like sun wukong, perseus, and lancelot. I figured if I was going to post a theory I might as well go all out and cover all the basis, if you take out the connections to the other gods that appeared in the series so far, my basic theory is actually much, much shorter. I figured I should show connections and a sense of foreshadowing to back up my claim. Gather evidence, draw conclusions.

[Yye1]

I dont really care about the relationships, but i want more liliana nxt volume!!

[Chris38]

Originally Posted by Yye1

I dont really care about the relationships, but i want more liliana nxt volume!!

Considering how the current latest volume ended, I don't see how that would actually occur, unless something starts happening, in the present day, while Godou, Erica and Ena are dealing with the situation in the past world.

In any other case, I think that you will need to wait until Godou's trip to the past ends, and he returns to the present era, to see more of Liliana.

[anonfr]

Originally Posted by Kadi

@brat: Maybe Heracles was a bit immature, but Prometheus was known for thinking ahead...

@Athena: Sorry, no time to read it all right now (although I asked, I know)

@Hecate: Well, the less links there are between your amalgamation and Hecate, the better. But the "Prometheus and Hecate are both rebel titans" seems kinda strong and it makes me doubt the King of the End is Prometheus. After all, she should've only gotten to know him after they came to earth...

@brat: I didn't stop to answer this earlier but him being a god of forethought counts more towards an authority than a character trait. Prometheus was a trickster god and a thief similar towards sun wukong and susanoo himself. another of his lore is that he sacrificed a bull to zeus but made him choose. "a selection of beef hidden inside an ox's stomach (nourishment hidden inside a displeasing exterior), and the bull's bones wrapped completely in "glistening fat" (something inedible hidden inside a pleasing exterior).
"
Basically he messed with him and tried to get one over. so while he's known for scheming, plotting, having a quick wit he was never necessarily wise, or else he probably wouldn't have ended up the way he did. Hercules and arthur are also known to try to outwit or play tricks on their opponents in some of their quests. Also if he assumes the form of arthur or hercules he'd probably appear more youthful or as a young man compared to susanoo who looks like middle aged I guess? hence being a brat.

[Algester]

Originally Posted by Hidfe

You do realize that this is one of the strongest (if not strongest) attacks we have seen so far and he barely mastered it.

Gaining more authorities could actually be a bad thing when fighting the King of the End.
"The inevitable encounter with the arriving 'Arrowhead' will undoubtedly prove to be a threat. However, ill fate is not everything it entails. Although it is not a certain goddess' box, when all disasters are over, hope will surely appear."
"Hope huh."
Watching Godou's face as he muttered to himself, the princess nodded.
"Fufu, among all god-slayers in history, your attitude towards power is especially free and unfettered. Perhaps because of that, you might obtain power instead. I—once known in the past as... The Goddess' Daughter, pray for your victorious fortune in battle, Kusanagi-sama!"

My personal theory is that the anti campione authority of the „King that comes at the worlds end” depends on how many authorities the Campione has.

It was explicitly said that the power of a divine ancestor is not enough to awaken the Campione Slayer and this is why Guinevera brought back Athena as a goddess to awaken him.

as for me Godou getting more Authorities is an inescapable problem as right now he stands that he will more or less likely face the King of the End whether he likes it or not, so as it stands he will need most of the help he can get without involving his other... brothers and sisters, else this is likely the reason why 1 generation of Campiones died asides from Aisha as the sole survivor, in short 1 generation were hoisted by their own petards, as we have known all Campiones will be involved as long as theres something powerful involve, it's their "instinct" that tells them they have to fight a threat larger than life, should Godou survive this fateful encounter is left hanging, but we do know that much of the gods he has been facing is in preparation for something big

[OverNOut]

^ Aisha is part of the old generation Campione who have not yet encountered the King of The End.

[Chris38]

Originally Posted by OverNOut

^ Aisha is part of the old generation Campione who have not yet encountered the King of The End.

No, I wouldn't say that she hasn't encountered him, since due to how her time travel authority works, she might have the misfortune of encountering him, during one of her "journeys".

Since, she tries not to talk about what she was doing in her past "travels" ... the possibility of her encountering The King of The End, is still "open".

EDIT: I also just realized something (I might have been a little slow in that regard), but it might be relevant. Apparently Godou, Erica and Ena have been transfered to somewhere Between 400 and 410 CE. Uldin's "death" have been mentioned to occur in the year 412 CE.

Those two date's are really close to each other ... close enough, that it might be possible that, due to the involvement of Doni and Godou in Uldin's life ... the corrective force of history, is going to strike ... leading to Uldin being killed earlier then what was recorded in history.

And, since I don't see anyone "normal" being capable of killing a god slayer, it might mean, that a certain god, is going to appear earlier, then what was in his "schedule".

[Feng Lengshun]

Am I the only one here suspicious of Pandora? She kept on saying that the Campiones are all her children, and yet from how she acts she looks like she was okay with the fact that another God is doing a genocide towards her children. No matter how you look at it, it's just way too suspicious. It just makes no sense for her to make no move or counter-plans against Artus. If anything, I really suspect her of hiding something and possibly being a manipulator behind the scene.

She might have an Arc for her own later. Hopefully it finally answers the question of "Where's Elpis, you know, the Goddess/Spirit of Hope found within the Pandora Box?" I am really questioning it. In addition to all the other people related to her, that is, Prometheus, Epimetheus, Pyrrha, and Deucalion. IF there is actually an Arc for her anyway.

[blackwhite67]

Originally Posted by Feng Lengshun

Am I the only one here suspicious of Pandora? She kept on saying that the Campiones are all her children, and yet from how she acts she looks like she was okay with the fact that another God is doing a genocide towards her children. No matter how you look at it, it's just way too suspicious. It just makes no sense for her to make no move or counter-plans against Artus. If anything, I really suspect her of hiding something and possibly being a manipulator behind the scene.

She might have an Arc for her own later. Hopefully it finally answers the question of "Where's Elpis, you know, the Goddess/Spirit of Hope found within the Pandora Box?" I am really questioning it. In addition to all the other people related to her, that is, Prometheus, Epimetheus, Pyrrha, and Deucalion. IF there is actually an Arc for her anyway.

You sure you're not just measuring her by human standards? Remember that these are gods. All they do is fight since they don't have human tendencies like eating or sleeping and they have little regard for human life. As for the King of the End, I'm sure sometimes campiones fight each other. Does it really matter if they lose to another god?

[Kadi]

There are also rules gods have to obey, even heretic gods. As I understood it, true gods are forbidden from interfering (too much, anyway) and all gods are limited as to what knowledge they are allowed to pass on to humans. Some (many?) of the things Pandora told Godou in their meetings so far were only okay because he'd forget them anyway.

Dunno who'd enforce the rules, though.

[Feng Lengshun]

Look, she's treating Godou like it was her own child. And then she also treats the other Campiones the same way. And she is apparently fine with them all dying and getting killed by the Gods. Either she was hiding something or she was a psychotic girl who likes to play family. Or she just didn't care. Or there are some reasons preventing her from taking action, even from the background and she has simply gave up. Whichever it is, it shows that she is more than meets the eye.

As for the other guys related to her, we haven't even see Epimetheus, nor have we seen Elpis, the Hope. Hope was said to be what the Campione system was made from, so the question is, how the did the story that a personification of hope was inside it came to be?

See, that's why I think Pandora is the most mysterious character. Even if she really was honest, that itself already made more questions.