2011-09-08, 03:17 | Link #41 | |
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With AIR however, the common archetypes and lack of character development were much more easily noticeable and I can now see why the "past me" could have been bothered by that. After some time and more anime under my belt I realized I actually still liked AIR - but it was only after I stopped trying to deny that there are certain things about anime which I didn't like, such as the catering of otaku fetishism, and focusing on what I did like, rather than idealizing this form of entertainment as a whole and comparing it to movies or books from a literary standpoint. Of course, now I actually enjoy a lot of the otaku specific humor, tropes and types of anime I had never thought I would, though I still frown at anything pervertedly sexual. |
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2011-09-08, 03:46 | Link #42 | |
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Hmm. I find OP's use of the terminology to be bothersome.
I consider myself to be a "normal" person, even though I can be outright insane from time-to-time. But as far as I'm concerned, there is no such thing as an "otaku" anime. You'd have to be delusional to even consider that. Quote:
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2011-09-08, 03:59 | Link #43 | ||
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Kanon and Clannad had obnoxious character quirks too - a reason I have mixed feelings on Ayu and Fuko just as I did with Misuzu - but they're smoothed out a bit by less quirky characters. Even Makoto isn't so bad quirk wise IMO. Tends to make the shows more accessible for outsiders than Air IMO, even if some people still can't get around the characterization.
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2011-09-08, 03:59 | Link #44 | ||
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Anyway, I really think the culture of anime has become too diverse that merely grouping things with others is not enough to identify them as such. Well, there is the classic Lum-type tsundere, the Haruhi-type tsundere, the Hitagi Senjougahara-style *-dere... Oh dear. Quote:
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2011-09-08, 04:10 | Link #45 | ||
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I don't know what is your definition of "otaku" anime, but you have to be delusional to deny that some shows have rather eccentric appeals that are not for the fainthearted. Quote:
But like Marcus said, the culture of Anime has become too diverse.
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2011-09-08, 05:43 | Link #46 | ||
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2011-09-08, 07:24 | Link #47 | |
is this so?
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It's fortunate that there's another otaku at my workplace. She also had a same situation as me when someone thought she's laughing at Mazinger Z when she's actually watching Ore no Imouto on her portable DVD player (the person did not look at what anime she's watching) .. Sorry about what seems like a rant, just want to confirm if we are both in the same line of thought about "normal people". They probably think anime is just a simple show meant to entertain children.
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2011-09-08, 07:48 | Link #48 |
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Personally based on my experience, those shounen anime you mentioned of are anime that are very easy to get into. It has this addictive style, like most shounen series, and I admit even I was entranced by it for a while. They're not popular for nothing.
Also based on my experience as someone who tries to make someone watch anime, I usually let them watch something a bit longer in length, a bit more common, and a bit more popular. It's stupid that I have to this, but. . . it works. People don't like thinking too much.
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2011-09-08, 10:30 | Link #49 | |
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In the west melodrama is ... less popular. |
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2011-09-08, 11:09 | Link #50 | |
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Those who would comment in a positive or even neutral manner on what you're watching, are just trying to be friendly. It's easy to dismiss others as ignorant or as simpletons, but who's right when everyone says it?
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2011-09-09, 01:41 | Link #51 | ||
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IIRC she also recommended Ore no Imouto to her brother as a joke. Then he actually watched it. Quote:
To me, what makes the Kanon/Air/Clannad trio classics is the emotions they evoke. Just look at the core plots of Kanon and Air: Spoiler for Kanon, Air:
That’s some beautiful and emotionally poignant stuff, which has nothing to do with Uguu or Gao or the various other Keyisms that a lot of people associate with Key. As fun and iconic as some of those Keyisms are, they’re clutter. And while my opinion is that while the slow pacing and first person perspective makes it easy for VN players to see around the “clutter” in a work, I don’t think that’s true of anime adaptations. The Air movie removes most of that clutter, distilled Misuzu to the essence of her character, and hence helped me “get” what Air was about. Not to say the Kyoto version lacks appeals (the “Air in Summer” OVAs they did are my favourite part of the entire Air franchise), but I didn’t get "Air" the first time I saw their version. I personally found Fuko and Ayu too quirky, and I suspect many newcomers feel the same way (ditto for Misuzu). Other Key characters, such as Kanon’s Mai, strike me as more accessible. I certainly remember liking Mai and her story a lot in Kanon – one reason I consider it more newbie friendly than Air. (For reference, my favourite Air character is Minagi – didn’t care much for her storyline, but I love her placid mannerisms for some reason. Favourite Key character overall would be Kotomi, other favourites would include Clannad’s Kyou and Kanon’s Mai and Makoto (who I actually also found a more accessible character than Ayu). And of course, Akiko is arguably the best anime MILF ever.)
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2011-09-09, 02:26 | Link #52 | |
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2011-09-09, 06:33 | Link #53 | |
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Someone might ask you to watch a soccer match that was tactically brilliant and full of great plays (I'm clueless about soccer) - you might watch for a while, really enjoy it, and start watching and follow the sport. Or, you might get bored quickly, and switch to something that you're more familiar with, with familiar things being easier to digest/more enjoyable when you're feeling a bit less than adventurous. It is usually more difficult to enjoy things that are quite different to what you're used to; Anime has it's "rules" based on Japanese culture. Sports has it's rules, based on... rules. These rules generally define what is the middle ground, the expected outcomes, and once you're familiar with that, you can begin to appreciate the finer points of whatever you're participating in. This is why I believe "gateway" anime, (and that differs depending on who you're showing them to) are so important. It's not feasible to try to get someone new to the medium to appreciate shows like "Madoka Magica" or "Lucky Star", when it's generally targeted towards people already familiar with the genres. On the other hand, showing "Death Note" to someone who watches shows like "NCIS"/"CSI", or showing a "Grey's Anatomy" viewer a repeating clip of a orangutan cartwheeling is likely to be a much more natural transition, and much more enjoyable - you generally need something familiar, and something new to really get into different things.
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2011-09-09, 06:53 | Link #54 | |
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2011-09-09, 23:28 | Link #56 | |
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If someone can't appreciate the musical creations of Ludwig van Beethoven, they might indeed be too dumb to comprehend it, but it's much more likely that they simply aren't used to Beethoven's style of music. The same naturally applies to anime and manga. I myself am in the process of very slowly breaking into the literature medium, partially thanks to the help of a relative who is quite a bookworm. It gets extremely frustrating at times to keep up with long-winded narratives and obscure vocabulary, but I try my best to suck it up and I eventually enjoy most of what I read. |
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2011-09-09, 23:38 | Link #57 |
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Otaku anime? You say they like Naruto and Bleach, that is widespread.
However, I am surprised Death Note is not an anime they like considering it has a very large following here. Basically, by your definition "otaku" anime is anime that is not shown on Adult Swim or a major network it seems. It seems to me like your friends consider action shows okay and shows like Clannad or K-On otaku. If they don't like that type, just watch stuff like Code Geass and stuff like that with them. Even people who hate anime are known to like Code Geass. |
2011-09-10, 00:12 | Link #58 | ||
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What I also meant was that if you wanted to convert a non-anime fan into an anime fan, start with the basics. Popular, longer, shounen anime are a lot easier to get into if your not an anime fan unlike let's say. . . Steins;Gate or Madoka. Then after that start choosing more limitedly. Kinda like this: Bleach -> FMA/Soul Eater -> Code Geass/Death Note -> Toradora/Angel Beats (they start understanding anime tropes and terms here) -> Steins;Gate/Madoka Just an example. Also I'm not stupid enough to not know if the people I'm watching with like/or not like what they are watching.I wasn't dismissing everyone as simpletons and less intellectual, but everyone has to start somewhere.And I never said that people with different tastes are less intellectually inclined. Quote:
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2011-09-10, 06:39 | Link #59 | |
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I do agree with that. Go step by step. But sometimes there's the luck that certain people would appreciate an "otaku anime". Just recently (approx. 1 month ago), a niece (not an otaku) of another one of my coworkers watched my cd's of Madoka Magica and liked it. Though it might be because she's comfortable watching girls because she goes to an all-girls school.
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