2011-06-24, 15:06 | Link #561 |
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Okay, so on an other forum, someone who just started the series complained abuout the magic, and mentioned that for it to work, it would have to have some sort of sentience.
So that got me thinking - Glimories want to be read. Some types of magic involve borrowing power from Angels/other higher beings. So, magic- sentient or not. If so, how sentient.
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2011-06-24, 17:26 | Link #562 | |
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Grimoires are the only sort of magic objects that seems to have a life of it's own, but it's mostly like a computer virus, and you wouldn't call a virus sentient... not by a long stretch.
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2011-06-24, 20:44 | Link #563 | |
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More than sentient, I would go that magic has too much of a "defined purpose". For example the healing magic that Komoe used probably borrows the power from one of the four main archangels, and with those materials, procedures and power source there aren't many variations to that; it's not like other series were a guy that "does magic" can pull a bunch of random things out of his hat "because it's magic". BTW, the only magician that I can think of the top of my head that can "violate" the norms of "purpose" of magic preparation is Oriana, she explained it herself, that by following the magical procedures of a healing spell but assigning it another color to it which isn't curative, she could use a "healing spell" that would attack every injury in the target and make them feel pain; she does this with all of her card spells, but the example is the clearest with healing magic. ...... Personally I thought it was funny when she said that she can't use healing spells, meaning that she couldn't use the "undistorted" version of the spell; Oriana is probably able to "change" these rules thanks to the fact that she uses her home made grimoires; I suppose that if her ability to write grimoires was as strong as a proper magic author she would be able to use both, the "distorted" and the "proper" effects of the spells. I always thought that her magic methods were actually pretty interesting compared to other characters.
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2011-06-24, 21:55 | Link #564 | |
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According to the narrative, it's about creating a miniture world, and its guardian is like a temporary god in this made up world's boundaries. So magic doesn't have a sentience, if you define magic as 'natural magical energy that's present in the world'. Other things made from magic probably will have sentience, if you count things like grimoires. Those things can at least interact with other people, if the Aztec grimoires are anything to go by; killing a host because they refuse to read their magic and teach it to others (eg Tecpatl), and also making deals with a host (eg Etzali's 1st grimoire, saving Xochitl in exchange for Etzali to wield the grimoire). |
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2011-06-24, 22:48 | Link #565 | |
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In other words, the very foundation of Komoe's magic spell probably comes from an Angel since it's from a magic array borrowing "magic power", even though in fact the "actual Angel" materialized and involved in the healing is completely non existent. edit I think that either Touma or the narration once used "vampires" as an example of the things that his right hand can erase.
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2011-06-25, 00:37 | Link #566 |
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Magic is Index is mostly Knowledge + Borrowed Power, or Idol Theory. Sometimes the symbol can be as simple as a colour but I'm curious as to how they use the spells of a grimoire; looking at Index and Fiamma, it's like they're whipping out spells left and right, or in Pendex case, drawing circles in mid air. When you absorb a Grimoire, does it mean you can use it's powers 'freely' ?
There's also something else I want to confirm; In Vol 22 Bardway said something like the golden substance cannot be manipulated by man, isn't that Telesma? I thought everybody have been using that stuff for ages?
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I suppose that an example would be something like "poison" for telesma and "saliva" for mana. You can use poison on things and gathering from places, but you can not produce it on your own nor consume it nor transform it in something else with your body alone.... God forbids you of swallowing your own saliva, but that's the best example that I can think in my current condition xD you can pretty much do whatever you please with saliva.
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2011-06-25, 04:29 | Link #569 |
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Mana is basically magical energy in ToaruVerse. This word is normally used to refer to natural magical energy, or to magical energy created inside one's own body.
Telesma is specifically used to refer to angel's magical energy. This is different in nature to mana, with differences like potency issues. Humans can't handle Telesma inside their bodies, even saints like Acqua, since when he tried to absorb half of Gabriel's power he almost killed himself. They could redirect it to things like crosses or vessels to contain their power, if what Index said in Vol6 was right. Curtana Original I think used Telesma as well. Bottom line, mana and telesma is like different types of fuel/petrol. |
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2011-06-28, 06:33 | Link #574 |
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Sorry for the off-topic, but this could be a real-life case of the Pyromaster ability. Some translations: Headline: (Kid) can create fire? It's impossible to create a fire without friction or chemical reaction, experts say. Kid who allegedly can create fires now the center of attention. Em-Em's Mother: The fire just spread out, starting at the center, not at the sides. There were flames but we weren't cooking anything. The child was shocked, she told me, "Mom, the roof's burning." So I got a pail of water... Burnt clothes negative for chemicals, tests show. "Pyromancer" should not be subjected to experiments. NOTE: This kid actually has a kidney problem, so she needs an operation, which the family can't afford, so they're appealing for help. |
2011-06-28, 07:35 | Link #575 |
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Academy City has some facilities in the Philippines, including one in Davao.
As for that case, perhaps even if science can explain or debunk it, it doesn't change the fact that pyromancers might exist.
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2011-06-28, 11:10 | Link #577 | |
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It also damges humans. since Human bodies are not meant to contain it. All non-God's Right Seat Telesma manipulation basically is just redirecting.
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2011-06-30, 08:58 | Link #579 |
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I'm wondering about Touma's IB.
If an existence which can be negated by Imagine Breaker has an origin that can't be affected by it (such as an flesh-and-blood human body), can IB restore the existence's state back into its origin? I'm tempted to think that IB is able to do that, as long as the rule that the existence that can be negated has an origin that IB can't negate stays in effect. It might be far-fetched to assume that can happen given what we generally know of it, but I hope this is a possibility that can be feasible.
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