2012-09-14, 09:58 | Link #23541 | |
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Statue of Liberty and gigantism fetish goes hand in hand. Again, what's that got to do with wanting or not wanting wars? Surely you're not going to suggest the PRC's twitchy fingers on the trigger is to be blamed on Whoremerica, right?
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2012-09-14, 09:59 | Link #23542 |
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And what is territory? The definition of territory can be moved back and forth, meaning this is not a YES or NO question. Some consider territory has a piece of land under the administrative control of a country with no challenges to the sovereignty of the control, while others believe that only administrative control is needed to consider a piece of land as a country's territory. This is in line with how the US considers the Dokdo situation: It's under Korean control so it is Korean territory, but the US wouldn't be outright saying it is Korean territory give that the sovereignty of the island is being challenged by Japan.
Basically, you're distorting the issue by forcing one definition of territory which a certain country finds convenient upon another who might not follow the same definition, and also using the same kind of logical disconnect you always use when it comes to PRC's belligerence issues with its neighbors. |
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2012-09-14, 10:26 | Link #23548 | |
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@Sumeragi: I'll concede that "religion" or "belief system" would be a more civil term but there's that respect problem again. If someone wants me to respect their idea they need to put down their weapon first and stop demanding I (or anyone else) dance their dance, otherwise they're just trying to make me fear the idea. Fear isn't respect in my dictionary.
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2012-09-14, 10:29 | Link #23549 | |
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I was having a conversation with my fiance at a steakhouse talking about global security, terrorism and territorial disputes. I pointed out that the fact that we were eating an expensive steak and drinking wine on a weekday evening was: 1) Incomprehensible to millions of people around the world, or deemed to be outright ostentatious and a sign that we're "evil" 2) A subsection of the people in 1) whether through upbringing, ideology or certain other religious or political factors would gladly see us or our "kind" dead, subjugated or otherwise see our way of life eliminated 3) Obviously we don't want any of the things that 2) wants to happen .. to happen, and therefore it's in our best interests that we or someone else keeps them in check or eliminated as it isn't likely feasible for us to sway them to our way of thinking at least in the short term So what does this train of thought lead to? It leads to supporting people that could/have turned into tyrants. It leads to western powers ignoring Russian massacres, supporting Saddam, Qaddafi and the Saudi Royal Family. It also leads to the simple acceptance that we "humans" also have "human" enemies.. that not all men will be privy to the universal rights we so loudly espouse at the UN .. and that we all lose a bit of our "humanity" so in the doing and acceptance. |
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2012-09-14, 10:32 | Link #23551 | |
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2012-09-14, 10:34 | Link #23552 | |
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Not that it matters to someone who is obviously biased in a dispute :P |
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2012-09-14, 10:37 | Link #23553 | |
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Frankly, I view that sort of violent behavior as an indicator of just how *insecure* they are about their belief system. Its like they're afraid they've made the wrong choice.
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2012-09-14, 10:37 | Link #23554 | |
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I AM racist towards the human race. I think we are dicks. I mean, really, really douchy dicks. I think we are stupid idiots who seem incapable of harmoniously working towards a common goal on a global scale. That being said, I think if there's any redeeming quality to human beings, it's that we can adapt and change. We don't have to be utter morons forever. .... Or so believes Gene Roddenberry. We just gotta figure out what the hell happened to these dumb apes that we somehow achieved enlightment and formed the Federation.
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2012-09-14, 10:39 | Link #23555 |
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The question is: is it rational to begin with than this ''topic'' to be ''their weakest and most emotional point'' ? There's plenty of matters much more critical in the physical realm to begin with, should we keep the issue about the ''spiritual'' to thoses than have enough time to waste on it ?
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2012-09-14, 10:41 | Link #23556 | |
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This reminds me of a quote over at another thread. |
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2012-09-14, 10:45 | Link #23557 | |
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Yeah, I don't see your comment targeting one group of people. I see it as targeting, for the most part, Christians, Jews, and Muslims who will fight in the name of God and they think the conflict they engage in is acceptable to God. They think they are "God's people" and their violence or use of force is acceptable. You see it with some Muslims out there, and you find it with some Christians in America. You find it with a lot of the people in America that enlist in the military and with a lot of our citizens and politicians. They think that we are in a holy war with Islam and we have to fight the good fight for the Christian God. You made a comment that includes any religious extremist. It just so happens that in the world today, you mostly see it with Christian fundies and certain Muslims. You'll also see it with Jews in Israel. I think this person that disliked what you said only associated your statement with one group of people because it was in response to people storming embassies. They thought one group of people were being singled out when that isn't the case.
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2012-09-14, 10:49 | Link #23558 | |
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Plus the fact than the situation was helped by some of their leaders much more than the society itself, talking about choice might not be very appropriate.
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2012-09-14, 10:51 | Link #23559 | |
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I'm interested in whether you've heard of Sam Harris at all? He gave a TED talk that started out particularly interesting but sort of rambled on a bit afterwards.. His points were (if I recall properly) basically: 1) Moral Progress exists 2) Science and Reason can take us there and 3) There can be such a thing as a "Moral Expert" (example: willx isn't a physicist. Therefore my opinion regarding string theory isn't relevent. So why is "everyone's" opinion about morality relevant) http://www.ted.com/talks/sam_harris_...t_s_right.html EDIT: I understand that taken with my previous post, some people may take my acceptance of both these "viewpoints" as being hypocritical. I simply accept it as being "realistic" |
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2012-09-14, 11:07 | Link #23560 | |
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Only problem would be the fact there are so many societies with different standards, making "expert in morality" a very hard job to accomplish, unless human society can globalize to a common standard. Obviously religion would get in the way of this feat. Because by faith, morality is NOT defined as the previous definition I stated, but instead a hard-lined law of the universe set by magic man. Or magic men. Or a flying spaghetti clump with meatballs.
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