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Originally Posted by Klashikari
Ayato might have been ruthless as soon as he was appointed as the Student Council President, however, Ayato displays much more "human" traits than Kanade.
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You have, on one side, a young boy who was reckless and ruthless one time, and did display human trait (glimpse of his past, "ego", antics etc), and on the other side: A girl who is basically acting like a doll, with supernatural skills, and was impairing the SSS a lot of times.
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I daresay: it is perfectly logical for the SSS to accept Ayato much quicker than Kanade, as a matter of circumstances AND character's point of view, NOT ours.
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Actually, if you're talking about the CHARACTER's viewpoint, then it makes even less sense. All the SSS saw, prior to episode 7, was Naoi bullying some students, using them as human shields, 'spawn camped' the entire group, and very well tried to actually make their leader disappear and not merely just 'kill' her. Even Tenshi, as far as shown in the anime, only killed the SSS rather than make them outright disappear.
Heck, the characters in the world never even saw the flashback of Naoi's past (it was merely shown for the audience's benefit), which were the only glimpse of 'humanity' we could see from him prior to episode 7. All the SSS knew, prior to episode 7, was that they were at war with Naoi and they were getting their butts kicked (rather badly might I add). Then first thing we're shown in episode 7 is Naoi is now on their side? Something definitely was missing, and this is ESPECIALLY highlighted if you see things through the character's points of view.
See, I'm not questioning why Naoi joined before Tenshi.
What I am questioning though is why was Naoi's joining of the SSS done offscreen (ie. 'telling') while Tenshi's was done onscreen (ie. 'showing'), when just the episode before Naoi was at war with the SSS while Tenshi was already allied with them? It was his 'reconciliation scene' with the SSS that was needed FAR MORE than Tenshi's, as its rather obvious that the jump from 'at war' to 'part of the group' is far larger than 'allies' to 'part of the group'.
Come to think, maybe its this heavy focus on Tenshi by the anime that was the cause of this blunder? That when given the choice between showing Naoi's reconciliation scene and Tenshi's, they chose the latter because it would show more 'moe moe moments' towards Tenshi? I dunno, just throwing it out there. I mean, even as a Tenshi lover, I still would choose a better flowing story over one with more moments with Tenshi, so I'd really be >_> towards them if this is true.
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Originally Posted by Ice Block
Nope. If you might recall from Ep06, Otonashi was the first (and only) person to accept him for who he really is (not as his twin brother). It might not be apparent to you, but I believe this acknowledgment is enough to warrant his attachment to Otonashi.
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Now you're just taking my quote out of context. There's a reason why "This admiration of Otonashi ALSO came out of left field" was IMMEDIATELY followed by "We can deduce it after-the-fact that it came from Otonashi 'healing' him, but that doesn't change the fact that there have been no clues (explicit, implicit, symbolic, or otherwise) beforehand to suggest anything of this sort".
That is, if you take the former quote ONLY by itself (like you did), then the 'coming out of left field' would imply it came out of nowhere. But the fact that I clarified 'coming out of left field' by adding the latter sentence meant that Naoi's admiration was merely not the suggested outcome of Otonashi's acceptance.
I mean, I even mentioned that the cause of Naoi's admiration was in fact Otonashi's acceptance, for crying out loud. >_>
Now leaving context problems aside, let me get on with the meat of the matter. Just because Naoi's admiration was caused by Otonashi's acceptance, does NOT necessarily mean that Otonashi's acceptance suggested Naoi would then become Otonashi's bitch.
Seriously now, Otonashi accepting Naoi can be the cause of a bajillion different things. It can be the cause of Naoi quitting the student council because he has been 'shown the light' by Otonashi, or it can be the cause of merely just a ceasefire rather than an outright union of the two groups due to him respecting Otonashi. Or, as the previous episode thread has shown, it could also mean Naoi's disappearance if the writers wanted to tell us that Otonashi's acceptance made Naoi at peace with himself. And so on and so forth.
In other words, there's no way that Otonashi's acceptance of Naoi suggested that the next thing Naoi would do would be worshipping the ground Otonashi walks on. At least, no reasonable person would think so, when Otonashi's acceptance can suggest a whole slew of other things.
Which leads me to my main gripe about the episode... by having Otonashi accept Naoi at the end of one episode and then immediately have Naoi turn to Otonashi's #1 fanboy the next episode, they merely just
told us the reason for his change of allegiance. They did not
show, in any way, shape or form, how Naoi's admiration came into about or how it lead to him joining the group.
Again, this is a case of the writers 'telling' rather than 'showing'. They're telling us that Naoi did a 180 and joined the group soon after.
And as any writer/editor worth his salt can tell you, a character doing a complete 180 is one of the top things you should NOT merely 'tell'.
And what really irks me is that they had the time to show Tenshi's joining, something less critical to the flow of the story because she was already cooperating with them the episode before (in other words, she did a 45 or at worst, a 90). And that's coming from a Tenshi fan, btw.
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