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Yeah, I agree. It's too vague a term to use in describing pretty much anything. Heck, a lot of characters I really like are considered "moe". And the majority of what would be called "moe" is fine and has nothing in common with the extreme that I think most people are referring to when they commonly say they "hate moe". Quote:
But I partially disagree: the characters as they first appeared do not look as old. Mainly because their faces were rounder and their features softer and their limbs were not as long or thin yet. You're right however that they do eventually look a lot more mature, particularly during the last arc. Limbs became a lot longer, features matured. There, SMC fits, somewhat (minus the vacant expressions), as they don't look like teens in a lot of the art anymore. I can see the SMC designs making a lot more sense if they ever animated the later arcs. In the first arc though... I'm having a difficult time seeing this Usagi acting like manga Usagi or attending 7th grade for that matter..
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2014-06-06, 21:41 | Link #1802 |
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Ranma has puffier hair. Larger cheeks and bigger faces in general.
In fairness to you, Ranma might be the pre-Sailor Moon anime that comes the closet to looking like Sailor Moon, but even here Sailor Moon is different enough to not look like it's just copying Ranma, imo.
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2014-06-06, 21:43 | Link #1803 | |||
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Honestly, I really don't. They don't really have that 'flowy' style. Maybe elegant is a subjective term...but I tend to associate it with "long and flowy and delicate-looking".
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Sailor Moon's 90's design looks like........generic shoujo/magical girl prior to then.
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2014-06-06, 21:48 | Link #1804 | |
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I don't see it. Maybe if you compare those episodes that had that weird quality-drop. But not in static art, nor in intended design, nor in animation, really. Particularly given that Rumiko has a very distinctive style that still shows in the anime (not as much as in Urusei Yatsura/Inu Yasha, but you can always tell if a show is hers)...
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Ridiculously thin/long legs, like we have in this show, is not elegant, in my view. Quite the contrary - It's unsightly to me. Quote:
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She hated the 90s anime. XD Quote:
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2014-06-06, 22:35 | Link #1808 | |
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.............and now I'm kinda sad we're not getting THIS instead. lol WHY. WHY DOES THAT FACE LOOK SO MUCH CUTER? ............why did I go and do this.........OTL
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2014-06-06, 23:07 | Link #1809 |
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qqIt's nice to see something different. We have been watching the old series for over 20 years, and now we compare a single one minute trailer to 20 years of history. Let's see the first episode and judge it based on it. Yes, it's a trailer but
1) Toei are not really good at showing their shows pros in trailers, it's actually a good trailer compared to toei trailer for tv series - movies are other thing; 2) I am not sure if they have the first episode completely done. They released a poster, character settings and trailer that are very different from one another, as if they still work on the bases, they probably got some done, or half-done scenes and made the trailer hastily to calm the audience -no one releases a trailer in 4:00 AM, unless there was an event 6 hours earlier where everyone asked for trailer - it was crazy. Toei has always worked week то week. 3) If you have problem with the art - from the day one they said a new adaptation of the Naoko Takeuchi's manga, they have never said a remake of the old series, or that it's going to look like it. So if you are fan of the old anime, and not of the manga - give it a try or just wait for some more stuff, regarding the old series.
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2014-06-07, 00:05 | Link #1810 |
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I'm honestly curious where Toei gets their bad reputation from.
I mean, the various PreCure shows look pretty good to me in most respects. Especially when you consider they're all long-runners. The majority of the PreCure character designs look good to me. I'm not a huge fan of PreCure, but when I have checked out the odd episode of one series or another, they tend to look pretty good to me.
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2014-06-07, 01:53 | Link #1811 | |
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2014-06-07, 02:12 | Link #1812 | |
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Then again I really shouldn't complain too much about how they treat One Piece. I mean, for the last three months or so they've actually been doing pretty consistently well with it, even if the animation-quality has been all over the place.
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2014-06-07, 02:19 | Link #1813 | |
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Maybe it's only going to be used once but still, I really like this new direction they're going with honestly. It has a very attractive and elegant feel to it what with the long legs, flowy hair, the moon backgrounds, it's very... Takeuchi Naoko. It's really her (IMO). |
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2014-06-07, 02:28 | Link #1814 | |
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Edit: Low more than 3 mln. views on youtube already. Let's hope Toei see how many people care and put some more effort animation-wise.
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2014-06-07, 02:50 | Link #1815 |
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The old designs were generic even by 90's standards. They took the general characteristics of each senshi (colors and hairstyle) and applied them to a template that was common of that age. If you look at female characters from other anime of that era (including earlier ones) you will see that their basic design is very similar i.e facial style and body shape.
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Now that looks way better than what we're actually getting, imo. Those legs look very beautiful and elegant to me, better than overly long/thin and at times broken-looking legs.
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2014-06-07, 08:31 | Link #1818 |
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^ That tweaked Sailor Moon is perfect. Simply perfect. The perfectly balanced design that is clearly shoujo, but also clearly aiming to appeal to a wider audience. Easily recognizable for fans of the 90s anime (some of whom may not have read the manga), but also clearly new/modernized. Yes, she looks human there, with excellent anatomy.
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2014-06-07, 09:06 | Link #1819 |
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Not bad, but like this it really can be mistaken for the art of a new PreCure season... Why do you want it so much to be mainstream - it should never be just another anime. It looks different and interesting they way it is now, it has some individuality. The legs doesn't even look so long in animation scenes.
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2014-06-07, 09:55 | Link #1820 |
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Anime is full of exaggerated proportions and it's very rare that this will ever be an issue amongst anime viewers. They already have eyes the size of tennis balls, their waist is absolutely tiny, their heads are huge and they sit on puny necks, and their curves are anatomically impossible. Yet this is the style that we as anime viewers appreciate and usually it's non-anime viewers that call them alien looking.
Even the modified images posted above have greatly exaggerated proportions. Rei's calves are the same size as her thighs and her ankles are thicker than her neck. So where do you draw the line between what you accept and what you don't? You only need to take a look at anime like Mizuiro Jidai or Hime-chan no Ribbon to see the same style of drawing that is persistent throughout that era of anime even before Sailor Moon was released. I believe that a lot of the criticism that Crystal is receiving is due to prejudice for it being an adaptation of the manga rather than a remake of the anime. I loved the original anime, I've lost count of how many times I've watched the whole thing, and I'd still gladly watch it again today over almost any current series. Its early 90's artstyle is adorable and nostalgic, the music is moving and its humor still makes me laugh. I don't need to look at it through rose-tinted glasses to appreciate it though. The designs were pretty common for their time and I still remember how the animation was usually choppy and dreadful. It was a cheap production. Maybe Crystal will be another cheap production, but so far I'm impressed, and even if it's cheap I will still most likely enjoy it. |
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