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Alto x VF 171 | 32 | 12.31% | |
Ozma x Bobby | 13 | 5.00% | |
Ranka x Sheryl | 42 | 16.15% | |
Sheryl x Alto | 199 | 76.54% | |
Yasaburo x Alto | 5 | 1.92% | |
Ranka x Ai-kun | 38 | 14.62% | |
Alto x Klan | 14 | 5.38% | |
Ranka x Alto | 54 | 20.77% | |
Ranka x Brera | 37 | 14.23% | |
Klan x Michael | 101 | 38.85% | |
Ozma x Cathy | 111 | 42.69% | |
Luca x Nanase | 41 | 15.77% | |
Wilder x Monica | 41 | 15.77% | |
Alto x VF25 | 37 | 14.23% | |
Yasaburo x Alto's father | 10 | 3.85% | |
Alto x Brera | 18 | 6.92% | |
Grace x Ranka | 12 | 4.62% | |
Nanase x Ranka | 21 | 8.08% | |
Sheryl x Klan | 24 | 9.23% | |
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2008-06-11, 03:16 | Link #61 | |
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Of the three themes in Macross we have different characters to represent them. Music: Sheryl and Ranka Love/Relationship: Sheryl/Alto (so far, not this will be what happens at the end) Fighting: SMS team Just because Ranka isn't doing much in the love/relationship category doesn't mean she isn't getting the spot light. We have to remember that she started out as a waitress at Nyan Nyan and he has come a long way from that. |
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2008-06-11, 04:04 | Link #62 | |
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2008-06-11, 04:15 | Link #63 | |
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2008-06-11, 06:12 | Link #65 |
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Lets see she ran away from home when her brother wouldn't accept her decision to sing. She didn't back down from him after she had made that decision. During the Miss Macross contest she put her all in to it. Yes she was nervous and made some mistakes but she didn't go running off the stage crying. It was most likely her first time on stage and viewed by so many people. When in the Mall once she saw Alto's paper airplane fly by and set her mind to sing there where no one came to listen to her she put her all into it. Later on getting a manager and continuing to sing in that mall. Lets not forget the carrot suit, cute or not, she wouldn't have worn such a embarrassing outfit unless she was giving it her all. When she finally decided to play Mao after seeing Alto and Sheryl kiss she did her best in the movie and didn't hesitate when it came time to kiss Alto.
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2008-06-11, 08:45 | Link #66 | |||||
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I'm not saying whether it's absolutely good or bad to depend on others or not. Everyone needs support at some point from the people around them, in order to overcome the doubts that they encounter along the way. However, the drive to succeed has to originate from within. ("Don't believe in me, who believes in you; believe in you, who believes in yourself.") Quote:
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It's not for lack of effort on Alto's part, though: he's made note of most of what Sheryl has let him see so far, such as her love for new experiences and her feelings regarding Galaxy. For all his complaining, he still cares enough to be troubled by seeing her hurt in episode six. The problem comes from the fact that Sheryl still hasn't let Alto come really close. The kiss in episode ten, for example, showed that Sheryl was afraid of how Alto would react to the knowledge that she loves him. She tries to read his response, but when she's unable to, she quickly backs down and covers it up. Alto, however, being the straightforward guy that he is, gets terribly confused in the process. So until she overcomes that fear, it's going to be rather difficult for poor Alto to make sense of her. This again links back to Sheryl's weakness about being unable to "leave her destiny in the hands of others". One thing that I hope to see her learn by the end of this series is to put her faith into others. If she can learn to do that, then she'll be able to properly tell Alto her feelings without fear of how he will respond. Quote:
Ranka knows Ozma well enough to know that he cares for her, so even if she runs away, she knows that he'll come after her. So she knew that she was going to get her way eventually. If Ranka really was anticipating a 'no' from Ozma, then she would have at least packed her things. In the mall, Ranka wasn't truly singing when there was nobody there willing to listen to her, due to the paper airplane and Alto's implied presence. When faced with a similar challenge in episode eight, she quickly becomes discouraged when she realizes that nobody is really paying attention to her. While Ranka dons the carrot suit in episode eight, she still doesn't sing unabashedly. There's even a part which shows her hiding behind her carrot sample out of embarrassment. If she were really singing her heart out, then the whole mall would have noticed. After all, it's Ranka's singing ability that drew the attention to herself the first time around, not her choice of song. In episode ten, Ranka took it for granted that Alto would go along with the kiss because it was in the script. Alto went through a period of worry that Ranka would be pressured to do the kiss. However, we didn't similar soul searching from Ranka about Alto being pressured to do the kiss, even though it really was a big problem for Alto until Sheryl talked with him to calm him down. So the challenge wasn't about Ranka having the conviction to act her part out in the face of uncertainty, but rather in having the appropriate feelings to be able to stage the kiss convincingly. Ranka does make a lot of progress in each one of these steps (I'm just pointing out the flipside to your points), but she hasn't entirely thrown herself into anything on her own willpower, yet. But I'm certain that this will change shortly: after all, the legend starts here. |
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Ep 10 Ranka says that she doesn't know if she can do either the kissing or the acting. Once she sees Alto and Sheryl kissing, she realizes her own feelings and how they are similar to Mao's. She was definitely uncertain about kissing Alto before seeing their kiss and feeling the desire to want to kiss him also. |
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Sheryl still believes in herself, but that belief is not enough on its own. Everyone needs emotional support from their friends to help them through difficult times. It's all about learning to depend on others without being "dependent". This sounds self-contradictory, but think about it for a bit. |
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2008-06-11, 22:20 | Link #70 | ||
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Because of this, the sth I am talking about is not anything ONLY makes one happy or can be achieved by temporary impulses. To reach it, one must go down a long and hard road with the knowledge of its difficulties and likelihood of losing some precious things. Of all MF characters I have seen so far, only two of them at this moment I can say they are definitely put all of them into sth. One is Sheryl to singing career; another is Ozma to protecting Ranka. But there is enough time and space for Ranka to improve, I think. She has shown some of this quality by accepting Mao's role. Just let's wait and see how far she can carry it. By the way.You don't need agree on me at this. As I said at beginning, I had a different definition and I just told you what is it. Quote:
In this case, I think girls need four things to fully capture Alto's past. One is the understanding on Alto's instincts; Two is the ability of interpretation and analysis; Three is the information about Alto's history (and secrets); Four is a close relationship with Alto. The first one is what Sheryl has but Ranka doesn't. The second one again is what Sheryl has but Ranka doesn't. The third is what Sheryl has more than Ranka but not enough. The forth is a tricky one, as I think Sheryl again has advantage but I'm sure many Ranka fans would disagree whole-heartedly (either they are in Brera's camp or not). The worst part for Ranka is not that Sheryl leads in all four areas but Sheryl is actively seeking the cracks on Alto. Like she questions Alto in ep 9 why he still attends school as he is already in military (oops, Sheryl is inable or don't care to distinguish SMS from military).
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*I'm not happy at all that Eurocup is delaying Macross but at least Code Geass is still on and SRW A portable comes out next Thursday |
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I'm curious by the way... if your "trump card" hasn't been said in the first 24 episodes even you have to admit that Ranka is done for. Because it's pretty obvious what context it will be used in for a final episode if Ranka isn't in any immediate danger. Spoiler:
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There is no distinction actually in Alto's mind. Why do you think he get upset about when they tease him about Kabuki? Part of the reason is certainly that it makes him think of his relationship with his father among others unresolved issues. Ignore these issues isn't good but making fun of them is probably worse. Quote:
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-Take note, that the supergalactic mecha love story didn't begin with Alto and Sheryl hitting it off, it was about Alto and Ranka having an interesting encounter. (ep. 1) Also, if you notice after they separated, Alto's after comment on Ranka was: "What a strange, woman." Then he smiled. He said, 'Onna', woman lol -Alto and Ranka both inspired each other to take the next step to their own paths. Ranka to Ms. Macross, Alto to SMS. -The two became close friends. Texting, chatting, more texting, and more chatting in the future episodes. -Alto and Ranka's relationship was developed little by little in the first four episodes, sealing it off in the Nyan Nyan restaurant when Mikhail accidentally pushed Ranka to Alto. -Alto does get linked with Sheryl, but despite that, the Alto and Ranka 'platonic' bond that happened in the first 4 episodes was never forgotten since it did nothing to Ranka but develop stronger feelings for Alto. (Just a fact that the writer isn't being inconsistent here) -Despite the Sheryl invasion, the two are still shown to be really close as Alto even sneaks away from his job just to listen to Ranka. And mind you, Ranka doesn't have to force him. ^_^ There's no doubt Sheryl's spending more time with Alto, but where is the camera looking at? Ranka's side of the boat. -Ranka sees strength in Alto. She shined the brightest everytime she incorporates Alto in her thoughts. First at the Folmo, now in the movie when she admitted her feelings for him and acted it out. -Check out how Alto treats everyone around him and compare it to how he treats Ranka. He becomes a different person whenever he's talking to Ranka one on one. You might call it brotherly, but Ranka did make Alto blush more than Sheryl ever did. Just goes to show you that Alto doesn't see Ranka as nothing but an underdeveloped little sister. And that's a huuuge potential. -Lastly, now that Ranka finally figured out her feelings for Alto, stardom will not pry her away from him. I doubt she's just going to be an ingrate who will forget the person who did a lot for her--in many ways-- to get to where she's at. =Judging from future spoilers, it seems like the progression of Ranka and Alto's relationship will just develop even more for the better. Once it develops for the better, it's going to be really hard to bastardize the relationship so that a SherylxAlto ending will happen unless they kill Ranka. This is why for the 9053522th time, it's going to be incosistent, if suddenly, the character relationships suddenly flip flopped and Ranka was put on the sidelines for a Sheryl and Alto development. Even if there was a development, most likely will, spending halfway of the series developing Alto and Ranka's character relationship and then throwing it to the dirt is utterly ridiculous. It's not going to work. Now if you please Westlo, I obediently complied here. It's your turn to state your view of why you think a non-SherylxAlto ending will be inconsistent. Please let's omit the Kawamori history and OP/ED casting, homage, Macross SDF references and just stay in Macross Frontier. I would like to hear your stronger reasons based on what we were given in the story. Quote:
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2008-06-12, 03:51 | Link #76 | |
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2008-06-12, 03:54 | Link #77 | |
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I'm not the one who's being stubborn and shouting INCONSISTENT INCONSISTENT if my pairing doesn't get it's way even though we still have 15 episodes to go through. She watched an episode or two and than read the Wiki, instant expert. She was arguing with me on Omni's blog that Misa's banter with Hikaru in the first episode meant more than Minmei did in the initial episodes. |
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I am kidding. I know there are some cases a real friend better behaving as what you suggest. But Alto is a different case. For one, either of girls is close enough to Alto to open him up; and two, either of them knows enough of Alto to venture that deep into Alto's heart. As people's hearts are always criticla areas, any misstep may ruin relationship. Girls are better to spend more time getting closer to Alto and gathering more knowledge of him, and this is what Sheryl is doing. At this moment, Alto isn't ready and Sheryl isn't ready. But Sheryl is preparing for it and waiting for best timing to open Alto up. I'd say she is doing the smartest. Quote:
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P.S. When has Alto blushed because of Ranka? I know that Ranka blushes around him a lot, but I really don't remember if he has blushed around her. |
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