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Anh_Minh · 2012-07-28, 06:08

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Originally Posted by noktown

She probably is not an angel(for the sake of the show),I don't think anyone in that group wants to "serve"the mafia Boss,but merely use him.

For most of them, it's a paycheck. Just like in the real mafia - where the hell do you find people who serve others out of slavish devotion? For someone they barely know. And who's a mafia boss.

It doesn't take away from the fact they're helping said mafia boss with his activities. Which no doubt include murder, extortion, and whatever the hell it is mafias do.

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They have to blend-in to achieve their goals,that's like calling a police/agent spy who's trying to take down an illegal organization(random example) a bad person since he's technically serving the bad guys.

Although I am sure that some of them are trying to use him for bad things,I don't think that it makes everyone in that group a "devil".

That's not my point. My point is that, just because she hasn't been hostile so far, doesn't mean Senritsu "won't use her abilities for bad things". She's already using them to get a job in the mafia.

whitecloud · 2012-07-29, 00:34

watch ep.41...quite a buildup...phantom troupe ASSEMBLE

leokiko · 2012-07-29, 01:42

Genei Ryodan!

vansonbee · 2012-07-29, 02:44

VA for Chrollo and Shalnark, just don't fit their image and I'm strongly disliking Shalnark childish voice.

Maybe I'm bias with the old animation (1999) VA's

Everyone in Genei Ryodan are badass! Each at Hisoka level or above! I lol@ Hisoka getting horny, looking at Chrollo. I guess its wrong to mark him as a pedo.

Dengar · 2012-07-29, 04:29

I dunno, I think Chrollo's voice is actually fairly befitting.

Anh_Minh · 2012-07-29, 05:22

Is it just me, or was the preview dialogue rather yaoi-esque?

zeniselv · 2012-07-29, 05:36

killua is already wearing a bishonen attire...

Arkeus · 2012-07-29, 06:33

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Originally Posted by zeniselv

killua is already wearing a bishonen attire...

He wore those very clothes in the manga for a few chapters.

HxH is one of those rare shounens where characters actually change clothes.

Keroko · 2012-07-29, 06:36

Oooh, lots of new voices and sounds in this episode.

That church music? No complaints, a real good mood setter. Most of the voices are slightly different, of course, but they mostly are very similar or fit well enough. Feitan is a bigger change than most, but it still fits his quiet theme. Kuroro is a tad different, they seem to be giving him more emotion here. Doesn't bother me too much, but mileage may vary here.

Shalnark's voice... was the biggest disappointment. Too young in my opinion.

Uvo is awesome. Just... yes, awesome. Different voice, but Broskandar fits Uvo like a glove.

ookamigirl · 2012-07-29, 06:57

Gon & Killua learned interesting info about Greed Island.
So basically you enter the game and can't get out if you don't find a save point.
That's sure one dangerous game, but not unexpected since it was made for Nen users.
Kurapika & few others managed to get hired finally. First mission: protect the boss.
Wtf, the boss is a cute girl called Neon?! No way! Her dad is the one Kurapika is after, probably.

Clarste · 2012-07-29, 10:03

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Originally Posted by ookamigirl

Gon & Killua learned interesting info about Greed Island.
So basically you enter the game and can't get out if you don't find a save point.
That's sure one dangerous game, but not unexpected since it was made for Nen users.
Kurapika & few others managed to get hired finally. First mission: protect the boss.
Wtf, the boss is a cute girl called Neon?! No way! Her dad is the one Kurapika is after, probably.

Her dad's the one with the power, but Neon's the "collector" that Kurapika wants to get close to. Her dad buys her "treasures" in exchange for her fortunetelling. She wants to go the auction, but when it's too dangerous the bodyguards get sent in her place. What does she want to buy? A bunch of human body parts including Kurta eyes. People like Neon who collect this stuff are the very reason Kurapika's tribe was slaughtered. No one would bother stealing something that wasn't valuable. She's his target.

whitecloud · 2012-07-29, 11:14

If only there're are greed island game in real life...there are a some people I want to throw inside that game...hehe...joking aside it seems it just like SAO but not VR...

gnafcha · 2012-07-29, 13:08

Umm, I gotta say. Huge disappointment in Pakunoda's first appearance. They REALLY skimped on drawing her. I think you all know why that's unacceptable. I'm not really a fan of the new style of drawing Anime--way too clean. I miss the grittiness of 90s drawing, like Gundam Wing and the original Hunter X Hunter--am liking the new series so far, though.

Just curious, I'm not familiar with the manga of Hunter x hunter; was the Greed Island OVA as bad as a manga as it was as the anime? There was a huge character change in Hisoka and the series turned incredibly childish. Just wantin to gauge how Greed Island will be if they take the remake that far.

Vicious108 · 2012-07-29, 14:23

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Originally Posted by Keroko

Uvo is awesome. Just... yes, awesome. Different voice, but Broskandar fits Uvo like a glove.

Indeed. Uvo is basically an evil Rider, so Akio Ohtsuka is a perfect fit. As for the rest (based on what little lines we got)...

- Chrollo: Another great fit. The only nitpick I've got is that Mamoru Miyano is a rather overexposed VA, which for me slightly reduces the mystique surrounding the character. But leaving that aside (which he can't help), he's definitely the man for the job and I look forward to his future lines.
- Feitan: An improvement over his voice in the original anime, which, while unique and relatively charming, ended up misguidedly turning Feitan into a trap of sorts. Plus, it's great to hear Kappei Yamaguchi use a voice similar to his creepy L voice once again (probably an unpopular opinion but I gotta say I don't care much for the more normal (for lack of a better word) voice he uses for Usopp and whatnot).
- Nobunaga: Not bad, but I think his original voice fit his character and appearance better, which is kind of annoying since that VA played the guy whose heart Killua ripped out in this version. Could've had him reprise Nobunaga while they were at it, but oh well, the new guy is still a serviceable replacement.
- Franklin: The only one I downright disliked. Calmer and more nonchalant Franklin in the original sounded much better IMO and closer to how I imagined him in the manga.
- Shalnark: Heard lots of complaints, but I'm not sure what the problem is. He's an amiable and cheerful kid... and sounds like one. Plus, hearing Noriko Hidaka in this day and age is an awesome privilege.

The rest we didn't hear as much from (except Machi, whom we'd already heard narrate half an episode), but sounded all right.

I had mixed feelings about their scenes though. The first one was pure filler and honestly felt kind of dry and pointless to me. They already did this with Kurapica's team, in that they came up with filler introductions for them, which resulted in them being essentially introduced twice (first the filler one, then the canon one). I can't really appreciate such senseless padding.

The other scenes were much better though, since, what do you know, Togashi's a better writer than the anime staff. Well, there was still a little anime original material in having Hisoka arrive late, but it worked well enough. And it was rather amusing in that they went for the exact opposite of the original anime, which had Hisoka be the first one to arrive (in case you're wondering the manga didn't specify). I'd say this version's liberty made more sense though considering Hisoka's character.

I felt the music placement could've been better though. The church-like tune felt a little overstated and lacking in subtlety to me. The original anime usually went for this cool and relaxed unofficial Phantom Troupe theme in their scenes, which to me fit their image better - they're kind of like the Turks in FFVII, boasting perpetually cool attitudes and possessing great banter between them. But anyway we'll see how they're handled from now on. Hopefully well, since they're my absolute favorite villainous group in shounen manga.

SHINOBI-03 · 2012-07-29, 14:30

-EPISODE 41-

-Manga: Chapters 70, second half of chapter 71, First part of chapter 72
-Nippon's Adaptation: Episodes 50, 51

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Spoiler for Part 2:

Anh_Minh · 2012-07-29, 14:42

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Originally Posted by Endless Twilight

- Shalnark: Heard lots of complaints, but I'm not sure what the problem is. He's an amiable and cheerful kid... and sounds like one.

He sounds like he's in his mid-teens rather than early twenties. That's the only complaint, really.

It's especially a problem since he's supposed to be one of the smarter members.

SHINOBI-03 · 2012-07-29, 14:52

For me I don't have a problem with Shalnark's voice. I got used to male characters with female voices (Goku, Kenshin, Sojiro, Luffy).

Especially Sojiro. Noriko Hidaka has voiced him in Rurouni Kenshin. It's not a new voice to me.

vansonbee · 2012-07-29, 15:51

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Originally Posted by SHINOBI-03

For me I don't have a problem with Shalnark's voice. I got used to male characters with female voices (Goku, Kenshin, Sojiro, Luffy).

Especially Sojiro. Noriko Hidaka has voiced him in Rurouni Kenshin. It's not a new voice to me.

That's not it. It's mostly because most people and myself are bit bias to the voice he had back in the 1999 version. Shalnark reminds me of Doremon now...

Anh_Minh · 2012-07-29, 15:55

I don't remember what he sounded like. I still think his voice doesn't fit his build. Or role in the troop.

leokiko · 2012-07-29, 16:05

VA's so far are good, but if we are trying to compare both versions, I would say only Feitan and Machi seems better fitted for their characters on this version.

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vansonbee ❤Ichigo 100%❤ Join Date: Jan 2011	VA for Chrollo and Shalnark, just don't fit their image and I'm strongly disliking Shalnark childish voice. Maybe I'm bias with the old animation (1999) VA's Everyone in Genei Ryodan are badass! Each at Hisoka level or above! I lol@ Hisoka getting horny, looking at Chrollo. I guess its wrong to mark him as a pedo. __________________ MAL

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ookamigirl Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011	Gon & Killua learned interesting info about Greed Island. So basically you enter the game and can't get out if you don't find a save point. That's sure one dangerous game, but not unexpected since it was made for Nen users. Kurapika & few others managed to get hired finally. First mission: protect the boss. Wtf, the boss is a cute girl called Neon?! No way! Her dad is the one Kurapika is after, probably. __________________ My Blog --> ookami

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SHINOBI-03 Senior Member Join Date: May 2012	-EPISODE 41- -Manga: Chapters 70, second half of chapter 71, First part of chapter 72 -Nippon's Adaptation: Episodes 50, 51 Spoiler for Part 1: Nippon's adaptation did not show the cafe sign. Not that we could read it. The homepage is different between the three versions. Madhouse's adaptation gave us a brief description of the site. Madhouse's adaptation did this scene in reverse. In the manga, Gon inputted his license's number before swiping the card. Nippon's adaptation shows us the number. -Panel 1- -"Enter License Number." -Panel 2 - "Please Swipe License." The wanted posters are absent in both adaptations. A look at the site and browsing it. The design in Nippon's adaptation is closer to the manga. In Nippon's adaptation Gon also clicks on other characters before the bartender. Gon's feeling about paying the fee is not in the manga. Madhouse's adaptation made getting into the site by nen. And this is something we will see in the future. This is not something new if you know what's coming. Although I don't need to mention because they do tell us about Greed Island and how it's played. The scene in the manga was normal, although it had a "twisted" looking background. The glass is a hologram an not real. Nippon's adaptation kept it normal, but they added a voice recording of one of the game's owners. A look at some of what they are selling. A filler scene in Nippon's adaptation between Kurapika and Senritsu. The town square. Madhouse's adaptation omitted the challenge between Gon and Kurapika. And it's a shame because I really wanted to see it! Hopefully they'll bring it up next episode. The scene including Togashi's advice is in Nippon's adaptation. =Page 1= -Panel 1- - Gon: "How much left?" - Killua: "... 10.84 million jenny combined." -Panel 2- - Killua: "That geezer tricked us!! What a fraud!!" - Gon: "The first vase sold for double, too..." - Killua: "Yeah, that was the trap>" -Panel 3- - Killua: "He let us get chump change so we'd trust him..." - "... Then he swindled an arm an a leg from us." -Panel 4- - Gon: "I told you we should stick with reputable sites!!" - Killua: "It took us 8 hours to make a measly J985! How many centuries will it take to make 8 billion?!" - Gon: "It's better than losing money!" - Killua: "You thought it was a good idea, too!!" - Gon: "Oh yeah?!" - Killua: "Yeah!!" - Togashi: "Without substantial experience, making big purchases based on photographs is risky business. Caveat Emptor." =Page 2= -Panel 1- - Gon: "All right, let's see who can do this better!!" - Killua: "You'll be sorry." -Panel 2- - Gon: "We have two weeks until the auction. Take 5.42 million each..." - Killua: "Bring it on!" -Panel 3- - Gon: "... And whoever has more money at 9 PM on Aug. 31 wins!!" - Killua: "Fine." - "And if you lose?!" -Panel 4- - Gon: "You do one thing the winner asks!!" -Panel 5- - Killua: You're on!" - "Ill bury you in gold!" -Panel 6- - "Ready..." - "Set..." Panel 7- - "Go!!" Back to Kurapika and the gang. In Nippon's adaptation they talk to Squalla first instead of Dalzollene. Senritsu's trophy is different and Baise's skull got a different shape. We see then the portrait man, who was the guy we saw at the end of the previous episode. In Madhouse's adaption he looks like he's wrapped in plastic! In Nippon's adaptation he looks scary! Here's Eliza. And here's Neon. Now I know some have complained about her colors, but I don't have a problem with it. Almost looks like Gothic style and the first one to come to mind is Stocking. Personally, I didn't like her Nippon's colors. Too much pink for my taste. Stocking for those who don't know: Spoiler for Part 2: A filler scene between the guards and what they think of Neon. Hmm... looks like we skipping some of chapter 71 and we get an early look of THE PHANTOM TROUPE!! Here's what I think of the voices: - Shalnark: It fits. - Pakunoda: Smexy! - Phinks: Cool! - Uvogin: Super Cool! - Shizuku: It fits. Phinks does not wear his Pharaoh outfit! Even though we saw it in the opening theme. Bonolenov's design is also different. Early in the manga, his bandages had a different shape that later changed to regular bandages. I guess Togashi made it that way to be easier to draw. A filler scene of Hisoka in Nippon's adaptation. Episode 51 of Nippon's adaptation start with this scene talking about Yorknew. And speaking of which, I think these backgrounds are lazy! Yes, we get it... The city is called Yorknew and it's based on New York! But couldn't they make their own backgrounds instead of these saturated pictures of the real New York without any alterations?! A change of dialogue here. Madhouse's adaptation made Nostrade's excuse to be absent is playing golf and hunting instead of having some time with a woman. - Dalzollene: "They're close friends of your father..." - Neon: "And where's daddy?" - Dalzollene: "He has a meeting he can't-" - Neon: 'Please. He's with a woman." Side note: One of her phone straps is a doll of Pu from YuYu Hakusho. "I'm sorry, but I think I'm in the wrong show! Nobody else got Moe eyes but me!" We see here Neon's ability. Madhouse gave the phantom a blue/purple color. Nippon's adaptation made it green and I swear every time I look at it I keep thinking of Slimer from Ghostbusters! Both version showed us how the phantom writes by controlling Neon's hand. This was not shown in the manga. And just in case you don't know Slimer: "Meow" Then we see the second patch of the Phantom Troupe. What I think of their voices: - Nobunaga: Good enough. - Feitan: Mega cool!! - Franklin: Good enough. Side note: Feitan speaks in a special manner in Viz's translation. Feitan uses wrong grammar like how a person tries to speak a language he's not fluent with and often chooses the wrong words or inaccurate grammar. For example, here Feitan says "I don't like Hisoka". In the manga he says "I no like Hisoka". There's a reason why he speaks like this and it's revealed in the Chimera Ants arc. Another thing to note is Franklin's design. Madhouse got it right, but in Nippon's adaptation he had piercings/rings instead of the stitches and he had green sleeve thingies that cover his earlobes. Next scene is from chapter 71 and yes, both adaptations moved it early on. Nostrade is here... and his hair is brown? Didn't see that coming. I always thought his hair is white or light gray. Back to the previous chapter, we finally see the Spiders together! In the previous desert scene, there was an extra dialogue between Feitan and Machi that got moved to this scene. -Panel 1- - Machi: "What do you thin he's after?" - "I bet it'll be some old books." - "He loves books." -Panel 2- - Feitan: "No." - "Must be game." -Panel 3- - Machi: "Game?" - Feitan: "They have most expensive game in world here." -Panel 4- - "Most dangerous too." - "Makes me curious." -Panel 5- - Machi: "But's it's only a game." - Feitan: "Well..." - "... He'll tell us." Unfortunately, this awesome scene was not shown. Hopefully it'll be brought back when they're on the move. As for Chrollo's voice, I think it's badass. In this scene, the mummy in Nippon's adaptation was not shown. Or to be exact they tried to censor it using Dalzollene's head like it's too gruesome to be shown...! Madhouse gave us the mummy like any normal one. 8.5/10

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whitecloud Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011	watch ep.41...quite a buildup...phantom troupe ASSEMBLE

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leokiko Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012	Genei Ryodan!

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Dengar Kamen Rider Muppeteer Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Unknown Age: 39	I dunno, I think Chrollo's voice is actually fairly befitting.

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Anh_Minh I disagree with you all. Join Date: Dec 2005	Is it just me, or was the preview dialogue rather yaoi-esque?

2012-07-29, 06:36	Link #1589
Keroko Adeptus Animus Author Join Date: Jan 2007 Age: 36	Oooh, lots of new voices and sounds in this episode. That church music? No complaints, a real good mood setter. Most of the voices are slightly different, of course, but they mostly are very similar or fit well enough. Feitan is a bigger change than most, but it still fits his quiet theme. Kuroro is a tad different, they seem to be giving him more emotion here. Doesn't bother me too much, but mileage may vary here. Shalnark's voice... was the biggest disappointment. Too young in my opinion. Uvo is awesome. Just... yes, awesome. Different voice, but Broskandar fits Uvo like a glove.

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whitecloud Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011	If only there're are greed island game in real life...there are a some people I want to throw inside that game...hehe...joking aside it seems it just like SAO but not VR...

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gnafcha Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2012	Umm, I gotta say. Huge disappointment in Pakunoda's first appearance. They REALLY skimped on drawing her. I think you all know why that's unacceptable. I'm not really a fan of the new style of drawing Anime--way too clean. I miss the grittiness of 90s drawing, like Gundam Wing and the original Hunter X Hunter--am liking the new series so far, though. Just curious, I'm not familiar with the manga of Hunter x hunter; was the Greed Island OVA as bad as a manga as it was as the anime? There was a huge character change in Hisoka and the series turned incredibly childish. Just wantin to gauge how Greed Island will be if they take the remake that far.

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SHINOBI-03 Senior Member Join Date: May 2012	For me I don't have a problem with Shalnark's voice. I got used to male characters with female voices (Goku, Kenshin, Sojiro, Luffy). Especially Sojiro. Noriko Hidaka has voiced him in Rurouni Kenshin. It's not a new voice to me.

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Anh_Minh I disagree with you all. Join Date: Dec 2005	I don't remember what he sounded like. I still think his voice doesn't fit his build. Or role in the troop.

2012-07-29, 16:05	Link #1600
leokiko Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012	VA's so far are good, but if we are trying to compare both versions, I would say only Feitan and Machi seems better fitted for their characters on this version.