2012-09-02, 05:07 | Link #181 | |
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Given the amount of people who are purportedly involved with this, I tend to believe that the primary lapse in judgement was in not letting him in on the joke. I tend to believe that a lot of the people involved would have assumed that he knew, since this was part of the official PR campaign. If he had just have been told about it in the first place, none of this mess would have happened. I am supposing this is just someone's idea of "making it more realistic", without really thinking through how it could be taken. Anyway, I think the damage has been done now. We'll see if the Internet lets it rest with this.
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2012-09-02, 05:23 | Link #182 |
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Wow, there's trolling, and then there's just pure douchebaggery.
That's so not cool and honestly I can't see the humor in at of all. Why would you humiliate someone like that to the public without their consent? Someone must stand up and take responsibility for this. An apology and compensation is only fair.
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2012-09-02, 05:33 | Link #183 |
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I actually think that this whole thing was indeed blown out of proportion by the internet brigade, at least in the sense that it went beyond what the victim wanted. As I see it, stuff like this is pretty much part and parcel of any entertainment industry. Apart from the live-octopus-on-a-person's-head incident that I mentioned in an earlier post, I've seen other stuff on Taiwanese shows such as a rising TV host being forced to kiss someone's armpit and other stuff. That's not to say that stuff like these is right or wrong, but that's how I perceive the industry to be in general since there's hundreds of shows, thousands of aspiring celebrities, and limited spotlight.
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2012-09-02, 05:42 | Link #184 | |
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Sure, you may want to take some humiliation for a chance of rising higher but it's being done for a reason and not just because it's part of the industry.
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2012-09-02, 05:52 | Link #185 |
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^No, in that particular incident, the TV host was a guest in another variety show, so he probably wasn't paid. It just so happens that that particular show attracted quite high viewership, so the guests, mostly rising stars, participate in all those embarrassing activities.
The way I see it, rising higher is exactly what the industry is about. As I said, hundreds of shows, thousands of actors, but very few spotlights available. |
2012-09-02, 06:00 | Link #186 | |
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Furthermore, the damage dealt here goes far beyond a simple physical prank that can just be shrugged off.
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2012-09-02, 06:19 | Link #187 |
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It happens not just in variety shows. I've seen pranks being played on the news as well, but the point I'm making is that this happens a lot in the entertainment industry for the sake of grabbing some limelight. Ichiki himself also stated in his blog entry that it's part of the job.
As to the second statement, that's also why I consider this whole incident to have been blown out of proportion by the internet brigade. If the incident had simply been allowed to lay low, it would only be known by a select few such as Sugita. But now that it's all over the internet, his reputation is absolutely tarnished. Ichiki will forever be marked as a guy who can't take a joke and rebels against the animation studio he's working for. Which director would want to hire him now? |
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And yes, the internet has blown it out of proportion. Perhaps whoever thought of this should have considered the nature of the internet. One with a brain to not diffuse the blame on the victim. "Can't take a joke?" "Rebels?" I can't imagine it'd be read as this. If said person had aggressively complained and campaigned it would certainly reduce his value. Yes, the internet has blown it out of proportion. Perhaps whoever thought of this should have considered the nature of the internet.
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2012-09-02, 06:42 | Link #189 | |
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At this point I think there is only one way for them to sell the claim that it was a publicity stunt and not bullying- that's if they do introduce the "fake" character in episode 14 and have Ichiki play him. "See, it was a publicity stunt all along, and happy endings for everyone."
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2012-09-02, 06:51 | Link #191 | |
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There has to be limits established and there's a certain point where it is no longer just "pranking". Not everything is fair game to do.
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2012-09-02, 06:59 | Link #192 |
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Well all I can say is I've seen worse. Again, I'm not making a normative statement about whether it's right or wrong, just making an observation that the industry has developed in that fashion.
Either way, I hope this whole thing dies down soon. Ichiki's indicated that he was disappointed but willing to take it in stride, and what I gather is that he too wants to move on from the incident. Hopefully other studios will learn not to pull such stuff again, and I'm still going to hold on to what little hope there is of Kokoro Connect Season 2 |
2012-09-02, 07:03 | Link #193 |
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Bullying at the place where people work is pretty common everywhere in the world and it's not different in japan.
While i am not defending what people have done to Ichiki, i do find that this whole situation has been overblown by the internet. The damage done by the people on the internet has made it worse for everyone who are both involved (including Ichiki, because i do think that he will be hired even less for work because of this)and some who aren't even related to this. |
2012-09-02, 07:03 | Link #194 | |
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Wasn't this done in front of an audience? From the OP it looks like it was streamed on NicoNico. So how few is the select few anyways to keep it low-key and not let it leak out anyways?
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2012-09-02, 07:08 | Link #196 | |
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However, judging by how they responded, they pretty much spun it the wrong way, into their own crotches, to be exact.
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2012-09-02, 07:48 | Link #198 | |
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There were some nasty comments said about Ichiki " It was a big impact, I didn't think seeing the moment a person crumbles would be so beautiful". And I believe there was also a comment about how some people will do anything to work in the anime industry even though they will never get a main part. This apology very much seems like they are just trying to save face and don't actually care what they did. As for Ichiki being forced to say what he did I am not sure. I can see he might be embarrassed by the whole situation and wants it over with, but his responses and so forth before this whole thing blew up also don't seem like "he wasn't upset". Sugita Tomokazu also didn't seem to think it was just some "silly prank". And yes I understand that pranks are common (although in general I am not a big fan) but this prank got someone's hope up that they had a job and then publicly humiliated him. I don't think the reaction to this incident is over blown at all. I think unfortunately how some fans are handling it (bringing in people who are not even involved) is quite awful but I am glad that in general fans are saying "we don't like this this type of prank and it shouldn't be tolerated".
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2012-09-02, 08:37 | Link #199 |
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Indeed. While the dust might have more or less settled, the way things are handled leaves a lot to be desired and will left many unconvinced since more than a few crucial individual have yet to give their accounts. The reprecussion will go beyond the surface if the silence remain.
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2012-09-02, 08:39 | Link #200 |
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Reading about all this has left quite a sour taste in my mouth, especially as I was enjoying Kokoro Connect.
I think you cannot really compare it to other normal variety shows where people get embarassed. They give consent, know what they are getting themselves into and the types of joke are normally trivial in its nature and disconnected from meaningful subjects. Actively depicting someone and making fun of how he hasn't done well in his chosen field, esepcially as he had no knowledge of all this, is just not on no matter where you are in the world. The comments from Terashima and Kanemoto aftewards just makes this all sound as it was carried out in a more malicious manner and makes it more into bullying. With how the website statement purports to read and how they are seem to be saying that they did nothing wrong, there just seems to be no reflection from them. Hopefully the author and light novel will be differentiated from this. |
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