2014-01-22, 12:06 | Link #9622 | |
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Tatsuya says Phalanx would create a situation in which they would stalemate. Decomposition destroys a shield but Phalanx just remakes it.
I said above why I'm unsure on if he can really get through CTGD and why shields in general seem to be his problem. Quote:
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2014-01-22, 12:12 | Link #9624 |
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That goes back to all my posts and why I'm so confused. What exactly does the handicap line mean? Does it imply Tatsuya is holding back and he really can target through a shield or does it just mean that Tatsuya is disadvantaged by nature.
I'm leaning towards he's just disadvantaged and anything that guards the personal information of an opponent either by shielding or concealment is the weakpoint of decomposition. Honestly, weakpoint isn't even accurate. It's more like the advantage/strength of defensive magics versus offensive magics. You need to peel away or circumvent the effects of the defense to apply your offense. |
2014-01-22, 12:44 | Link #9626 | |
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Honestly it's unrealistic to think he would use Mist Dispersion even if he could. Pretty obvious he used it because it wouldn't take effect. But the question remains if he could have found a way? If he could, he obviously wouldn't go through with it and that would make sense as to what his handicap was. But I'm not convinced he could without first making a weakness in the shield. On another note. I remember someone suggesting using Material Burst on a much smaller scale for anti-personel purpose. That seems ridiculous considering conversion of a drop of water blew that ship to hell and then some. How small would the mass have to be for anti-personal use? Is it even possible? |
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2014-01-22, 12:47 | Link #9627 | |
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Fight fire with fire. ------------------- Newly-introduced concept often is perceived to have infinite strength in their area of expertise. For example: -People often think body armor, whose job is block bullets, will definitely protect them from bullets when they first heard about it. Assuming they have infinite strength in "blocking bullets". That's laughable. Psion armor can block magic. Yeah, theoretically, with infinite information strength. Just like shield can block sword if they have infinite hardness. But that's never the case: Wooden shield can't block sharp sword since its hardness is low. Same goes for Phalanx and Psion armor. -Phalanx: people don't think eachof his attacks can pierce through many barriers and he can fire faster than shields created. -Gram Demo: they broke spells since they have higher information strength. But against spell that has higher information strength (another GD for example), it will fail. -Parade: Tatsuya can see fake and real information body. But he didn't have enough "perceptiveness" to tell the differenccs. If he has, parade will fail. In conclusion, "defense" is a counter to "attack". Well, isn't that the universal truth? But it doesn't mean it always success. Strength plays a major part = attrition battle. Tatsuya said "attrition war", which is strength vs strength. Not "stalemate", which is equal.
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2014-01-22, 13:05 | Link #9629 | |
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May be because of the duel rules? As in "not severely harm your opponent" and "no martial arts, only magic"? Maybe he, being a mad scientist, just try to make use of the opportunity to test new things? Which makes sense why he wouldn't use his effective methods/handicap since there is no point in testing,he knows it will work? Which makes sense why he uses Mist Dispersal right away since he wants to confirm his assumption? May be you should check out some of the previous post( around page 468) since we are going to repeat same things again and again.
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2014-01-22, 13:29 | Link #9631 | |
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its not like we overrate Tomitsuka.
and, yes, it is very overrating anyone if we compare them with Tatsuya, who has Regrowth, MB, and ES. which is at the very top of Defense (more to immortality, LOL), Attack Power (that Nuke), and Information (you cannot hide almost everything) i agree for it is just bad matchup for Tatsuya Againts Tomitsuka in this duel (in this duel only, in real battle tomitsuka wont even have a chance ) Quote:
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2014-01-22, 13:36 | Link #9633 | |
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Hahahhaa, He would still be all Powerful i suppose, its just that he lose his awesome and immortal defense and any tactics he would use will be all-out-attack-even-before-the-war-starts Nuke |
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Maybe he just can't target Tomitsuka with Mist Dispersion without getting rid of the shield. I already said he wouldn't actually use Mist Dispersion even if he could but the thing is we have really no indication that he can. We do have an indication that he can't since the one time he used it, it fizzled against the shield. Now you can say he only targeted the shield... but that isn't convincing. Quote:
Your speculating on how Phalanx would match with Decomposition. What was said was it would be attrition warfare but that as soon as Tatsuya removed a shield it would be replaced and the battle would be endless. Hence Decomposition vs Phalanx is essentially a stalemate and other factors will determine the outcome of that fight. Tatsuya can indeed see through Parade if he abandoned his senses and solely focused on it. This is also dangerous. I don't think I said anything implying Parade was a perfect counter? You just have to get around it's effect. As for Contact-Type Gram Demolition... that is the current discussion. Him using Far Shot has nothing to do with him using Decomposition. Quote:
That said I don't mean the defenses are perfect. No shield is really a perfect counter just like Decomposition isn't a perfect attack. The shields exist to be broken or gotten through. That is why I said it isn't really a weakness of Decomposition but the advantage of defensive magic. You can't damage the target until you deal with the shields. Decomposition can't just blow through defenses and kill flawlessly like it does against non magicians or magicians without powerful defenses. Tatsuya has to either remove them or correctly identify in the case of Parade which is difficult. TLDR: The point I was making is that Tatsuya has to get rid of Defensive Magic before he can use Decomposition. So he probably can't just target through the shields like people suggest. Quote:
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2014-01-22, 19:24 | Link #9640 | |
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On another note. I don't believe it was ever explained in non vague terms but what do people think is exactly happening when a Magician overuses their magic and dies? |
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