2009-03-17, 08:51 | Link #4041 | |
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Gino's last actions on Geass, left a good sig on my book. Is it enough to erase some of his oh-so-nice-words on the past? Probably not. But i certainly, do not hate that chara, like at all, compared to some other charas, he is far more likeable to me. I found his co-operation with Kallen cool btw, it was a nice combo. |
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2009-03-17, 09:15 | Link #4042 |
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He and Karen were an effective combination, they worked it out pretty well.
Surely, he's still a dumb blonde (to any blonde here, it's a joke, no offense guys, I'm blonde too!! XD) that do not shine in terms of intelligence, and has still a lot of things to learn about human right, respect, other cultures and so on, but, at least to me, his last actions show he's moving forward in a positive way from the person he was before. ... did I ever cared about the Weinberg boy this much...? It didn't notice at first, LOL XD |
2009-03-17, 09:21 | Link #4043 | |
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[Cornelia or Nina for example, never really did that to me.] Anyway, is this Gino's thread or something? Maybe we should request a Gino-thread, because seeing how his appearance on the last PD, caused such a ruckus, well that is ought to count for something. 8D Last edited by incorrupts; 2009-03-17 at 09:38. |
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2009-03-17, 10:12 | Link #4044 | |
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This ties more into Gino's character being a running contradiction, so his contradicting himself isn't surprising. You have in Turn 20, opposing Schneizel for challenging the Emperor and sending Suzaku to assassinate him. At every step of the show, we know that Gino wholeheartedly believes in the Emperor's Britannia. Once the Emperor is dead, Gino, naturally, sides with the old Empire and Bismark's faction. When Suzaku questions his loyalty to the Empire, you have Gino questioning what he is fighting for, but that ends up amounting to nothing because from Turn 21 to Turn 24 he is fighting for the same thing. The Empire in which he believes in, the only difference is that he seems to come to terms with having to fight Suzaku, which he did not in Turn 21's encounter. In Turn 21 he disagrees with Lelouch's Britannia, this is the one that turned Lelouch in the savior of the people. So Gino does not agree with equal opportunity (1). In Turn 24, Lelouch is still the same Emperor that liberated the people, but he has gone to war because the representatives would not allow Britannia fair representation in the UFN, a very viable reason to go to war (2). Lelouch does not go "evil" until after he's conquered the world. So (1) holds true even after Gino has talked with Kallen, meaning that whatever change he's undergone is not a change of ideology but at best a change of "I know what I have to fight for and who I have to fight". If anything, I have to agree with bladeofdarkness that the scene was not about change, seeing as how little changed, but about just cramming in "Here's Gino!" He amounts to opposing Lelouch and Suzaku only on the grounds that they are not the Britannia he agrees with, twice. His views don't change, nor does his reason for fighting them. Its the same, it just becomes clearer on the second encounter. As for the quote, morbos also provided that a while back if I recall. Gino is fighting for his Britannia, against Lelouch's everyone-equal Britannia. He gives no other reason for it, and his talk with Kallen doesn't amount to a reason, unless its a very shallow reason. He's not like the Order who are taken into war, he is more like Schneizel, someone fighting for his own ideology. The triumphantly stupid thing about Gino's position in the war, though, is that he sides with the man who (from Gino's PoV) contributed and initiate the death of the Emperor whom and the Britannia that Gino supported. He's siding with the person who led Britannia to its upheaval, he's siding with a man who does not represent the Britannia he so vocally declares he's fighting for, and there is utterly no explainable way for Gino to have even gotten from Britannia to Japan where the Order was. Though, the bit about Schneizel is probably why Gino is not a part of any organization during the war, it amounts to an alliance of convenience, but his reasoning is lacking. |
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2009-03-17, 10:29 | Link #4047 | ||||
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And since I already agreed that they are not moral, I don't see what we are arguing about. I won't seperate a character's ethical standards from their personality and the "vibe" I get from them, so comparing them to Hitler just doesn't work for me. I never claimed Gino was some kind of super awesome teddy bear, though. Quote:
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But could we please drop that Hitler topic now? Oh, and I agree with my awesome soulmate and a certain non-huggable person I will definitely glomp one day when they least expect it. Yes, sky, there is no escape! xD I won't go into this, though, because the Gino discussuion is starting to bore me. I want Clovis, damnit! xD
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2009-03-17, 10:40 | Link #4048 |
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would people please drop the hitler bit already
comparing real life monsters to fictonal characters does nothing but erode the true meaning of what actually happened and is insulting to real life victems
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Never said you claimed it, remember this was about how people treat him in general as some well to do nice-guy, when he is not. Quote:
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2009-03-17, 10:46 | Link #4050 | |
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About Anya, I don't think she knows the truth ?_? |
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2009-03-17, 10:53 | Link #4051 | |||||
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There's absolutely nothing that indicates otherwiese, except your personal perception of him the fact that R2 was rushed. And I doubt we will see him planning to kill Elevens and restoring Britannia to its old glory in the last PD. Quote:
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2009-03-17, 11:09 | Link #4052 | |||
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Nothing in particular separates Cornelia from, say to tickle your fancy, Clovis, but one died and not the other. Hell, Cornelia is imo a far worse person than Clovis but Clovis was used as a plot device and had no real fans. Nothing really justifies Cornelia's shown "golden road of happiness" in the ending, hell she never showed even the slightest flicker of change. PS: Joining forces and actually siding with a people is completely different. Gino's allegiances were out of convenience, nothing says he joined the Order, and no explanation could be made to even remotely let the Order take him in. Joining forces out of necessity doesn't make much of a point. Like I pointed out in the post to Levy, Gino's not actually shown changing his views from before and during the war. Quote:
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Being a complete bastard, as you've served to prove my point, entirely depends on how much the character appeals to you. To me, Cornelia, Gino, and most of the higher echelon of Britannia, all come off as complete bastards. To you they do not, however. This is a completely arbitrary basis. There's no concrete basis for the end results, its all about "i think this" but the "i think this" varies in applicable actuality from case to case. For example the bit about change, what change did Cornelia undergo? "I must avenge Euphie to... I must make Lelouch pay for Euphie." Nothing showed that she dropped her views on anything. What views did Gino change? I don't remember him ever taking back his "elevens are inferior" words to Kallen. Nor do I remember him changing his reasons for fighting. Viletta, for once can be used positively, as she actually showed change. |
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2009-03-17, 11:13 | Link #4053 | |
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Anyway... yes, he died in order to show in a very impressive way that Lelouch is not above dirtying his own hands in order to achieve his goals. I don't mind that. It was an awesome, ironic kind of death, and I don't see any real alternative. If Clovis had lived, then Lelouch probably would have had a lot less problems - simply because he had such an awesome big brother. Freeing Japan through force? Whatever for? Just go conspire with Clovis! Quote:
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2009-03-17, 11:27 | Link #4055 |
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anya now lives with jeremia
the guy who was one of lelouch's biggest supporters you wouldnt expect her to do that if she didnt already know about the truth
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2009-03-17, 11:29 | Link #4056 |
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The question is why would Jeremiah bring up a topic such as that and further more why should she care? Doubtful that Jeremiah would even tell since it's a secret that he'll more or less keep to his grave. And no offense but it hasn't been confirmed that anyone sans Suzaku, Nunnally, Jeremiah, Sayoko, Cecile, Lloyd and to a lesser extent Kallen and Todouh knew Lelouch's plan and further more even if they did know It's likely that they don't care and what to live on their happy lives.
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In my opinion, the most correct answer is: they stopped caring when they made the final arc and they just crammed in everything they could in a desperate attempt to finish. They could have, very easily, just finished CG at the Charles arc, have all three of them die there, and end the show with the Order and the UFN formed and Britannia in shambles. You don't make Lucifer the second to last boss, only to have the last boss be a quadruple amputee. How about we go with the: they had no idea what they were doing with most characters they introduced in R2. Quote:
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I only require a character not to be boring in order to like them at least somewhat. If a chacracter is simply "evil", however, that's not given, and I'll move on.
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2009-03-17, 11:54 | Link #4059 | |
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Guilford's sacrifice loses all meaning, Cornelia becomes a "wtf" character. Nunally gets derailed into the oblivion of idiocy. Characters stop making sense in general. The last arc was undoubtedly the worst part of the show. Quote:
I am going by what Okouchi confirmed. That amounts to Nunally, Kallen, Suzaku, C.C., though Jeremiah isn't listed, I assumed he was just a minor character to include. The rest are left with "figured some stuff out but not all of it". |
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