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In fact, the only numbers that are close together in any way appears to Uno, and Sette who happened to be imprisoned in the same place as Jail. Quattro and Tre are orbiting different planets. Also Ginga herself opened the communication channels despite the risks associated with it so that all of them could be questioned in one place. I think that implies that she wants the Numbers and Jail far away from each other as possible physically.
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2010-02-20, 20:36 | Link #2282 | |
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Uninhabited world 9: Orbital prison "Gruen": Jail Uninhabited world 17: Orbital prison "Lubsoulm": Uno, Sette Uninhabited world 6: Orbital prison "Kiliek": Tre Uninhabited world 6: Orbital prison "Gelda": Quattro So - Jail different planet, Uno and Sette - same planet and prison with each other, Tre and Quattro - same planet but different prisons.
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2010-02-21, 23:07 | Link #2283 |
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You know, after watchign that anime, does anyone else think that Subaru would have fit much better as a boy character? She looks like one in the majority of scenes in my opinion, and I actually thougth she was one until a few episodes in. Honestly, you get rid of the bulges and buy her a longer shirt (although Sothe from Fire emblem even proves that's not necessary :P) and she suddenly becomes a boy. I could see her as a boy and still wearing her ribbon and stuff too.
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2010-02-22, 01:35 | Link #2285 |
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I was quite happy with a girl possessed by a shounen manga character. It was a nice break. Besides, this show focuses just as much on cute and huggable as it does on wall-breaking action, and I get the feeling male Subaru might have made StrikerS into something resembling Gurren. Girl Subaru was a nice call back to original 'befriending via firepower', could still pull off the emotional scene in episode 17 ("GIVE HER BACK!"), and had some touching moments with Riot 6 that you can't really get from teenage guys.
Note: Erio did very well at being a male character that was still cute and huggable, particularly whenever Caro is involved. Seriously, Erio and Caro are moe incarnate.
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2010-02-22, 14:32 | Link #2288 | |
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Maybe I haven't seen enough traps, thank goodness. A male would have to have a seriously exaggerated "figure" to look like Subaru does there. But, whatever... everyone has their own sense of perception. I never thought for a minute that she was a guy. Tomboy, sure, but she was obviously female to me from the beginning.
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2010-02-22, 14:33 | Link #2289 |
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After the traps I've seen, this is timid.
That's being "way out there" though. The possibilities exist, but I wasn't being entirely serious. With a bit of info, one knows it's a female.
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2010-02-22, 19:55 | Link #2290 |
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Ehh, Subaru doesn't even begin to qualify as a trap. Now Otto, there's a different story. Reverse traps are perhaps the only thing surpassing traps in awesome.
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2010-03-02, 21:04 | Link #2292 | |
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2010-03-08, 03:58 | Link #2293 | ||||
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"History of ancient Belka~From the prehistory to the age of war A long time ago,Belka that was born as one of the world which floated in the sea of the dimensions made the fight at each countries interval intensify by the superior weaponeering technology.Belka countries performed aggression to not only own nations but also another world, and they enlarged their territory. An alliance,an agreement,hostility.The figure of the invasion always changed by power balance between the world and the constant war passed for a long time and continued.In addition, about the superior weaponeering technology of Belka,it is said that there was a technology outflow from the world "Al hazard" that was called the volost in eternity of the dimension world. Kings of Belka After the war of Belka passed for a long time,the war came to a deadlock and the weaponeering was promoted more intensely. Before about 1000 years,the study of the artificial living entity accomplished big evolution as of middle part for the war period,kings reinforced own body and they forced it on their descendant. The King of ガレア(Garea?) got ability to produce the nuclei of the corpse weapon endlessly in his body.The Sankt Kaiser made himself the key of ultimate weapon and the user of it. Other Many King also got excessive ability and were proud as a symbol of the power. It was the insane era that the technology to demand human's body, life, and linker core for a purpose to get power evolved. End of the war Because the ground of Ancient Belka became extinct virtually, the war was over. The people of Belka were exterminated suddenly,the ground of Belka is still the land where anyone cannot live in by pollution.It is considered that some kind of mass weapons were used or caused an accident.However, any certain evidence is not yet discovered.After ground of Belka was lost,some factions were scattered to the other world and were going to plan a comeback.However, the families of Sankt Kaiser brought other countries under control and planned Belka unification.This war is called "Sankt Kaiser unification War" in particular.And the cradle disappeared during the wartime,they stopped declaring that they were blood relatives of Belka.In addition, the tradition and the armament of the ancient Belka magic almost became extinct in this time, too. Thus, ancient Belka war terminated, and it is told as "war without the winner". Then,Modern Belka The history of the war of Belka and the many technology that were developed......especially,mass weapon and the technology named as "a lost logia" had a great influence on the later dimension world. By the achievement that ended war,the family of Sankt Kaiser was praised and established Saint church. From these days,Midchilda extended power by development of the magic technology.At last they established an organization for a purpose to break dangerous mass weapon and interchange between the dimension world.This organization became the TSAB later. Then,The Saint church which made an effort for the establishment of the peaceful organization got own country as Belka autonomous district in a part of Midchilda. They have maintained the lost history of Ancient Belka and handed down to the present day." That said, I still don't see how this confirms your theory about Olivie sacrificing herself to destroy the Cradle. Mind, I'm not saying it's impossible, I'm just saying that at this point it's all speculation. |
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I admit it's difficult to really believe "for sure" some of the information, but it's the best we have right now. Quote:
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Einhart says "Hundred year regret" - http://www.onemanga.com/Magical_Girl...ha_ViVid/6/13/ Unless there is a translation error, there you have it. I am more inclined to believe that Einhart was a bit off in her estimate, or perhaps was speaking more 'poetically" and that 300 is more accurate, as it fits better with everything else. Quote:
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Note that the Cradle was the Belka superweapon, used as it's base to launch the war; from a tactical standpoint, it's loss would severely hamper the war. Given with the reverence from which it's mentioned, and it's importance, occam's razor suggests that it had a power that other countries/nations/planets couldn't match. It's loss would be a huge blow to the war effort. Thus, if Olive really wanted to stop the war, and she was the one who was controlling the cradle at the time, what would she have done? Olive is also known as "Sankt Kaiser of the Last Cradle" and we have Vivio's first flashback where she tells Ingvalt to be a good king and goes off, and Ingvalt says something about the cradle suggesting a manner that he would do something about it instead of her. We know from Einhart that he was really close to Olive, and failed to "protect" her; if he fought her to stop her from doing whatever it was she planned to do that would end her life, then that counts as him trying to protect her and failing. |
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NoSanninWa: There are many questions that don't need a whole thread to discuss them. A simple practical answer straight from the anime or manga without any speculation can solve this connundrums. If someone has such a question about Nanoha which can be solved by answering with facts from any of the anime seasons, mangas, drama CDs, games or whatnot, then please ask that question here. Please don't post in this thread unless you are asking a question or answering one. Please remember that it only takes 1 person to answer a question. And don't speculate! You can only reply with cold, hard, merciliessly unforgivable facts. If you have to speculate, then please just tell the querrant that no answer is known, but here are some facts that might help him make up his own mind. Quote:
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All theoretical, off course. Also, use of the term outflow -assuming this translates correctly- would definitely set in stone that the two civilizations existed simultaneously at one point. There can't be an outflow from something that does not exist. Quote:
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Gonna snip out the Q&A stuff, I recognize it was my error in posting the extra deduced stuff. I had just wanted to be helpful by posting what is commonly believed based on what is known, and what was offered in other Japanese source material that isn't easily referenced here. Quote:
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We never see, for a fact, Yuuno teaching Nanoha to fly. But we can extrapolate from other facts that it's very likely he did; at least I personally believe so. Sometimes, one just have to take take things as they are, because one isn't going to get the hard-based facts that would complete the picture. One has to use occam's razor and a bit of deductive reasoning to extrapolate what's going on. |
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2010-03-08, 12:23 | Link #2297 | |||||
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Official information will always trump speculation for me. Comes with being a Star Wars fan, I guess. Quote:
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Dead civilizations can't have an outflow, because there is no civilization left to flow out from. Now what we could describe this as in an inflow of technology for Belka, that would be possible even from a dead civilization, but if the term outflow is linked to Al Hazard, that means they were alive at the time. Of course, this is still assuming outflow was the word used in Japanese as well, and on top of that assuming the word has the same meaning as well. 's all still speculation at this point. Quote:
You use easy examples to justify your point, but here is another one: Nanoha and Fate were sharing a bed in StrikerS. What did they do at night? Many flamewars have started over the answers our imagination cooked up. Which one is true? |
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0225 BC - Olive born? No idea on how long she lived or when she died. 0075 BC - TSAB founded 0021 BC - Ingvalt dies (Ein's hundred year regret). Would mean he was at least 200 years old, so I suppose technically possible. He'd be around for about 54 years of the Bureau's operation. Quote:
Al Hazard was up and giving technology to Belka, but this brings out the question of "Why?" Why was Al Hazard giving technology to Belka? What would they be getting in return? What happened to them (did they just give technology and then go poof?) If the technology was so good that Belka wanted it, it meant that Belka couldn't obviously just take it. But it's never really heard from again after "giving" technology to Belka for use in it's conquest of other planets. The other is that the Al Hazard civilization died out, and they came across some well-preserved ruins, and started the place up, perhaps claiming it as a new planet or city of the empire. Thus, once they got stuff like factories up and running, there was an outflow of weapons and armaments that enabled Belka to conquer it's neighbors. But yes, speculation. I feel the first leaves too many unanswered questions, which is why I disregard it at this time. Also, in S1, Al Hazard is really referred to more in a mystical sense(it can fulfill all your wishes), and Precia apparently did enough research to believe it could bring back the dead, or at least striving for a mystical place might have been her last gasp. Given the series overall, Al Hazard seems to be a more mystical place than Ancient Belka, which has more history and information available; if they truly existed at the same time, there should be roughly similar levels of information about it, which would make it lose it's mystical status. Also seemed to be more wondrous things the Ancients of Al Hazard could do, which doesn't seem to be the same for Ancient Belka. Being able to bring back the dead would have done wonders for Ancient Belka in its wars, heh. Quote:
A single dot on a graph, does not a picture make. With many dots, you can begin to connect them to form a meaningful line, or a even a picture. Even though discussing shipping is largely dangerous and I'll feel retaliation, I'll say that the bed-sharing is not conclusive of anything and I feel it's taken out of porportion; military barracks normally have multiple people sharing rooms, like Teana and Subaru did. It's just that the captains get a nicer room. Nanoha, Fate, Hayate, and Rein all shared a bed, too, and I don't see a foursome being declared, heh. Now, if there was emotional things like declarations of love, or showing inner thoughts that things were more than friends, even from one of them, it might be enough to connect the dots to here. But bottom line is, I wanted to show that sometimes we aren't going to get confirmation of facts for various reasons, and so we just kinda have to go, "Yeah, it's not exactly said, but based on the strength of evidence, kind of assumed that's the way it is." Hopefully, Vivid will give us some more concrete backstory on Belka, so you can get those facts.^^ |
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Same case here. Belka was a waring nation, which means weapons sell like hotcackes. Quote:
But I do wonder, what unanswered questions does the first raise that don't exist in the second? Ironically, that's all I really meant anyway. Not 'well, it's so and so because if you connect the dots this is the logical answer' but 'well, I think it's so and so, because of this and that' Last edited by Keroko; 2010-03-08 at 14:03. |
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Al Hazard to them is much like Atlantis to us; it's shrouded in a lot of mystery, may or may not exist, yet has hints that they were much more advanced at the time. Quote:
Thanks again for being a good discussor of topics; it's always appreciated.^^ |
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