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People were united by hate(ironically). We don't have a 3rd season so we don't know what'll really happen( but you can tell it was really peaceful). Maybe they'll even be united as one world (all because of Lelouch). He used "evil" as a way to create "good". |
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2009-09-29, 05:06 | Link #5662 |
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the idea that people are quick to forget old hate in favor of new one is cute
but its unacceptable to intentionally murder countless people just to invoke such a response using diplomacy might have taken longer, but it would be a realistic solution to the problem instead we get more death and destruction, and no reason to believe people would ever forgive or forget what came before it he used "evil" to create "good" when he could have used "good" to create "good" instead if there IS a 3rd season at some point is seriously hope that the villain in it would end up being someone who lost his loved ones to lelouch's reign of terror and who figured out the truth about zero-requiem which drives him to try and destroy zero-zaku not because of being racist or power hungry, but out of the belief that a man resposible for the worst crime against humanity ever commited, should not be allowed to pretend to be a hero for it i kinda think having lelouch's master plan turn out to be a "nice job breaking it, hero" kinda deal very much in character and would give the 3rd season the same "either side might actaully be right" tone to it that made code geass great
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If 1 kicks 2, 2 kicks 1 back. They then start kicking each other. However, If 3 pwnsomely beats up both 2 and 1 and runs. 2 and 1 will try to chase and beat him up. If 3 escapes, 2 and 1 starts looking for ways to get revenge, and through that, they'll befriend each other more. Once 3 is beaten up, 1 and 2 are already friends. Quote:
Actually more than in comparison to the war violently ending. If you can't erase deep hate with actions, how useless do you think diplomacy and words would be? |
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2009-09-29, 05:20 | Link #5664 |
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earsing hate and changing the way people think about you is the whole POINT of diplomacy
and there wouldnt BE any people dying during the diplomacy because THERE WOULDNT BE ANY WAR if lelouch tells the britannian army to stand down, they stand down if the UFN tells their soldiers to stand down they stand down there was a cease-fire how else do you think lelouch can just show up, and mean face to face with the UFN leaders
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The thing is, at the start of the series, Lelouch and Suzaku have almost no power. By the ZR arc, they rule half the world, and the other half called Lelouch the Emperor of Justice. The UFN was going to accept him, until he went crazy on them. Hate is irrelevant. Most real world countries still dislike and distrust each other at best, but they get along anyway thanks to diplomacy. You seem to be the one who thinks reality is nicer than it really is, not blade. |
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thats step one already in place step two is signing a fucking peace treaty and pulling back his forces from anywhere that is NOT britannian territory hence, no war Quote:
besides, who's going to take part in said conflicts ? britannia's army is in britannia the UFN's army is in the UFN who's going to fight ? Quote:
and as did charles the problem with lelouch's plan wasnt its effectiveness, but its necessity he had other, more peaceful ways, and he intentionally didnt go there because he wanted THAT path he wanted to DIE to atone too bad he has an ego the size of japan, and cant simply shoot himself so instead he drags the whole world into another round of fighting, just so his death would have "meaning"
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I don't have much war education so my assumptions might be the less realistic one. I still want to justify the show a bit more though...Reality can never be fantasy I guess.. Just one question: Britannia is the U.S., right? and the "UFN" was all the AREAS? |
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2009-09-29, 05:57 | Link #5669 |
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its not about giving up
its about seeing the flaws its about seeing what they DID, rather then what they SHOULD have done the problem was that they COULD have made lelouch's plan more heroic by having him focus on stopping shnizel by having him make it clear that he is becoming a monster, because normal people cant fight against something like the damocles that a normal commander who cares about his soldiers could never send them against something that could wipe them out by the thousands with every shot, and there for the only one who can fight it is someone who views his soldiers as disposable ants that a ruler who cares about his people would be forced to surrender the second the damocels shows up on his front door, and so the only leader able to oppose it, is someone who could not care less if his entire country turns to dust that he HAS to attack the UFN in order to make shnizel want to side with them, and thus spare them from the flejias that the end result of having him conquer the world by taking over the damocles was a RESULT of winning the battle, rather then an INTENTION all along and that having suzaku kill him was done, not out of some bullshit claim that he would earse the worlds hate, but out of a belief that he (monster that he has become) has no place in this world anymore he doesnt try to CHANGE the world with some bullshit plot, but he SAVES it from a greater evil, and then leaves it in the hands of its people they COULD have done that but they didnt instead lelouch sets out to conquer the world as a GOAL, and shnizel is simply in the way of his larger plan and lelouch's plan is just as arbitrary and egomaniacal as shnizel's instead of having lelouch be a tragic hero FORCED to become a monster to stop a greater monster he is instead just as much of a prick as shnizel and charles for deciding that "he knows best whats good for the world" and the end battle is basiclly two "well intentioned extremist" villains battling it out over who gets to implement his own masterplan and yes, its suppose to be a bullshit allegory for the US i suppose
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I'm not sure about the complexities within the show anymore but having Lelouch(the main character) die and others realizing their mistake still satisfies me.
Its strange, but your right, people stand from war's dust not to prepare for another attack of hate but to rebuild themselves with the want of survival. This goes well with diplomacy and the "better course of actions". If the mentality of humans within Code Geass wasn't like this, then I could've looked at the show in a brighter light. |
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Well said. Though we may have to consider that the show intended for it to come across like your initial thought there Blade. But poor execution hampered the climax of the storyline. Good intentions, bad follow-through. Instead of getting something somewhat deep we got a half assed "meh they'll get the essential point probably."
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2009-09-29, 06:21 | Link #5672 |
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other then nunnaly and kallen, no one realized their mistake
and its questionable if there even WAS a mistake on their part lelouch WAS trying to conquer the world, and so they opposed him they couldnt know that he was planing to take over the entire world as STEP ONE @yvj i dont know the scene in ep 22 when they are talking about conquering the world and spilling rivers of blood is the one truth thing that stands in defiance of my theory and is part of what made me so angry at lelouch during that entire arc he planned to do all this from the start
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2009-09-29, 06:33 | Link #5674 |
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less boring ? yes
but considering that i absolutely HATED lelouch during the entire final arc, i could have done without it they could have still followed my script and had a huge battle, but without turning lelouch into a mega prick
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2009-09-29, 06:36 | Link #5675 | |
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I think this problem comes with the rush in between immediately after Lelouch defeated Charles to him becoming Emperor. There's not much insight into the thought process and why ZR had to be the end all be all. Needed more of a Treize Khushrenada like clarity on the plan.
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2009-09-29, 06:39 | Link #5677 | |
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2009-09-29, 06:45 | Link #5678 | |
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Not to say he was right in being an ass, but with proper examination of his insights into ZR, we could have had a proper explanation to why he felt he had no choice but to be an ass.
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2009-09-29, 06:48 | Link #5679 | |
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@yvj thats the problem he didnt need to be an ass and we dont know why he felt that he did
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He chose to die because whatever the outcome that would probably be the last great battle. It was basically the perfect stage for him to go down, at the hands of someone worthy like Wufei. Treize loved war, in a romantic sort of way much like Cornelia. He never set out to end conflicts.
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