Mobile Suit Gundam 00 Discussion & News [Spoilers]

[miles316]

Originally Posted by Eleutheria

Spoiler:

-says nothing. Setsuna gets coup d'etat information from Kataron, rushes there, meets "the mystery man mr bushido", they fight.


Episode 18 airs Feb 8.

Spoiler for Bushido:

Is Mr Bushido in on the coup d'etat or does he gust run in to Setsuna while he istraveling to the meting

[LoweGear]

The impression I got from what little I understand of the dialogue is that Mr. Bushido expected Setsuna to appear by that part of the world due to the news of the coup.

[miles316]

Originally Posted by LoweGear

The impression I got from what little I understand of the dialogue is that Mr. Bushido expected Setsuna to appear by that part of the world due to the news of the coup.

So graham/Bushido is not part of the Coup is just using it to trap Setsuna for their battle. Every masked character in gundam has hidden agenda I am just waiting for Bushido to reveal his.

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Originally Posted by miles316

So graham/Bushido is not part of the Coup is just using it to trap Setsuna for their battle. Every masked character in gundam has hidden agenda I am just waiting for Bushido to reveal his.

Bushido doesn't HAVE a hidden agenda. He is the first one to not have an agenda, proven by the fact that he doesn't care about A-Laws. 00 throws a lot of rules out the window.

[miles316]

Originally Posted by Vallen Chaos Valiant

Bushido doesn't HAVE a hidden agenda. He is the first one to not have an agenda, proven by the fact that he doesn't care about A-Laws. 00 throws a lot of rules out the window.

Its just that graham is my favorite non Meister ms pilot and I don't like that he has become a complete bastard.

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Originally Posted by miles316

Its just that graham is my favorite non Meister ms pilot and I don't like that he has become a complete bastard.

But he isn't a bastard at all. Mr Bushido is just your stereotypical "warrior" going around challenging people for the fun of it, like Ryu from Street Fighter. He don't have any personal grudge against Setsuna any more, this isn't revenge, but sport to him.

[miles316]

Originally Posted by Vallen Chaos Valiant

But he isn't a bastard at all. Mr Bushido is just your stereotypical "warrior" going around challenging people for the fun of it, like Ryu from Street Fighter. He don't have any personal grudge against Setsuna any more, this isn't revenge, but sport to him.

Graham has devolved in to some sort of Savage animal only thinking about combat at least in the first season he followed orders and had some self restraint. Some one has to lead the rebellion against the Federation and the A-LAWS/Innovators. Serge is a good pilot and a leader but he doesn't have the charisma Graham has that has endeared him to me.

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Originally Posted by miles316

Graham has devolved in to some sort of Savage animal only thinking about combat at least in the first season he followed orders and had some self restraint. Some one has to lead the rebellion against the Federation and the A-LAWS/Innovators. Serge is a good pilot and a leader but he doesn't have the charisma Graham has that has endeared him to me.

Mr Bushido is not a leader, he never was a leader.

The only thing holding him back last season was patriotism. But since he is no longer working for his country, he can do what he like.

There is a reason Graham is looked down upon in the 1st half of the story. Many other pilots considered him a freak, a guy would is only kept around because he was too good to throw away.

What made Graham charismatic, also made him impossible to work with. He KNOWS A-Laws is a crap organisation, so why would he want to be loyal to it since he doesn't have to?

[tanqexe]

In a way I feel that Bushido is like Captain Ahab or Eddie Brock/Venom, except the revenge part. He has a strong one-sided love-hate relationship with Setsuna/00 Gundam forged over their repeated encounters. I suspect, though, that even if he did beat Setsuna, he'll feel hollow inside. Graham as he is now is a mere shell of a man, without motivation to any ideal other than beating the Gundam.

[miles316]

Originally Posted by Vallen Chaos Valiant

Mr Bushido is not a leader, he never was a leader.

The only thing holding him back last season was patriotism. But since he is no longer working for his country, he can do what he like.

There is a reason Graham is looked down upon in the 1st half of the story. Many other pilots considered him a freak, a guy would is only kept around because he was too good to throw away.

What made Graham charismatic, also made him impossible to work with. He KNOWS A-Laws is a crap organisation, so why would he want to be loyal to it since he doesn't have to?

Patriotism doesn't just go away. Graham/Bushido the patriot had found out the ultimate truth about the innovators and the Faustian deal the A-LAWS/FED made with them. would Graham not put aside his blood lust for OO. Like Char putting his grudge against Amaro aside to fight the Titans in Gundam Zeta.

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Originally Posted by tanqexe

In a way I feel that Bushido is like Captain Ahab or Eddie Brock/Venom, except the revenge part. He has a strong one-sided love-hate relationship with Setsuna/00 Gundam forged over their repeated encounters. I suspect, though, that even if he did beat Setsuna, he'll feel hollow inside. Graham as he is now is a mere shell of a man, without motivation to any ideal other than beating the Gundam.

From my point of view, this kind of deconstruction of Graham's personality is necessary, if only to ensure that the mask on his face exists.

After all, what would compel a man to wear a mask all day?

Bushido doesn't wear a mask to hide his real identity, like the other masked Gundam antagonists. Bushido wear a mask because his original face no longer fit what he is inside. In that sense, he is as hollow on the inside, as the mask he wears on his face.

Patriotism doesn't just go away. Graham/Bushido the patriot had found out the ultimate truth about the innovators and the Faustian deal the A-LAWS/FED made with them. would Graham not put aside his blood lust for OO. Like Char putting his grudge against Amaro aside to fight the Titans in Gundam Zeta.

It depends. Graham may return, but that assumes he survive his current self-destructive path. And with an equally self-destructive Billy helping him out, they are like a pair of lemmings rushing to destruction while cheering each other on.

Yes, Graham might eventually re-surface if there is something deep inside that survived. I wouldn't rule that out. It's just that right now, he is terribly alone, with no one left who could tell him to return to his former self.

[miles316]

Originally Posted by Vallen Chaos Valiant

From my point of view, this kind of deconstruction of Graham's personality is necessary, if only to ensure that the mask on his face exists.

After all, what would compel a man to wear a mask all day?

Bushido doesn't wear a mask to hide his real identity, like the other masked Gundam antagonists. Bushido wear a mask because his original face no longer fit what he is inside. In that sense, he is as hollow on the inside, as the mask he wears on his face.

I wonder if he lost him memory only having his innate skills and training left allowing A-LAWS to shape his shattered mind turning him in to what ever they want.

[tanqexe]

Originally Posted by Vallen Chaos Valiant

After all, what would compel a man to wear a mask all day?

When a man is too pretty and his pheromones are a-blazing, the female mob's a'comin'. Graham, usually the loner, is too much man for any single woman to handle

Kidding aside, I wonder what would happen if Setsuna decisively beats Bushido - would the Graham inside him realize his internal emptiness and do something about it? Bit of a Jubei-chan vs Ryujoji Shinkage vibe.

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Originally Posted by miles316

I wonder if he lost him memory only having his innate skills and training left allowing A-LAWS to shape his shattered mind turning him in to what ever they want.

It would be the worst brain-washing job if that's the case. The first thing a brain-washing session need to do, is to instate loyalty. And as such, Mr Bushido is most definitely not brainwashed due to his disinterest in A-Laws's wellbeing.

[ZippyDSM]

Originally Posted by Vallen Chaos Valiant

It would be the worst brain-washing job if that's the case. The first thing a brain-washing session need to do, is to instate loyalty. And as such, Mr Bushido is most definitely not brainwashed due to his disinterest in A-Laws's wellbeing.

Various incarnations of Megatron from the Transformer series allowed dissemination and treachery in the ranks from mainly 1 or 2 members because he could always count on their random behavior as a chaotic influence on his plans, basically he can handle them any time he wishes but the Autobots not so much.

What I am getting at is chaotic but predictable characters set forth by a main villain is not that rare.

[miles316]

Originally Posted by Vallen Chaos Valiant

But he isn't a bastard at all. Mr Bushido is just your stereotypical "warrior" going around challenging people for the fun of it, like Ryu from Street Fighter. He don't have any personal grudge against Setsuna any more, this isn't revenge, but sport to him.

I use the term bastard like people call Special Agent Leroy Jethro Gibbs from NCIS a bastard. A man with a single minded drive in his job which has cost him three marriages any cymbalist of a social life and drives him to build a boat in his basement which he will never be able to move out of their. These personality traits are only countered by his fanatical loyalty towards his underlings Tony, Maggee, Zeva, Abby, Ducky and his unrequited love for the late jenny Shepherd. His hatred of Terrorist, Murderers, Child Abusers, traitors, The CIA. In the end he can still decides when he has crossed the line and when to stop. I just want to now that graham has this ability I now he has nothing to live or fight for.

[Tyrone Biggums]

I thought it was established long ago that Graham doesn't really care for what A-LAWS does...since ep 1 of the second season it looked like he only wanted to fight Setsuna...in fact i think the only person he has fought so far was Setsuna.

Any ways...any got the spoilers for the next few eps?

[Miles Teg]

Spoiler for episodes 16 and 17:

Episode 16: Prelude to Tragedy

• The A-LAWS abruptly withdraw because they are informed of a coup d'état breaking out within the Federation Government. Setsuna, who had caught the information about the coup from Kataron, changes the Double O's course to Africa. And so, there, waiting for Setsuna in a ready pose Mister Bushido appears again, armed with a new unit.
  
• The A-LAWS withdraw. Setsuna obtains information about the coup from Katharon and changes 00's course toward Africa. However, there, in a ready stance and a new unit, once again Mister Bushido's figure appears.

Episode 17: Inside the Scattered Light

• While cruising along with repairs incomplete, Ptolemy 2 rejoins with Setsuna.
  In order to break the deadlock in the war, "he," who stood up with a broken body, speaks to Saji.

[Tyrone Biggums]

Originally Posted by Miles Teg

Spoiler for episodes 16 and 17:

Episode 16: Prelude to Tragedy

• The A-LAWS abruptly withdraw because they are informed of a coup d'état breaking out within the Federation Government. Setsuna, who had caught the information about the coup from Kataron, changes the Double O's course to Africa. And so, there, waiting for Setsuna in a ready pose Mister Bushido appears again, armed with a new unit.
  
• The A-LAWS withdraw. Setsuna obtains information about the coup from Katharon and changes 00's course toward Africa. However, there, in a ready stance and a new unit, once again Mister Bushido's figure appears.

Episode 17: Inside the Scattered Light

• While cruising along with repairs incomplete, Ptolemy 2 rejoins with Setsuna.
  In order to break the deadlock in the war, "he," who stood up with a broken body, speaks to Saji.

Spoiler for ep 17:

Wait wtf...who the hell is "he" with the broken body?

[UltimateClash]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Biggums

Spoiler for ep 17:

Wait wtf...who the hell is "he" with the broken body?

New spoilers mention Setsuna, I think.