2009-06-14, 23:25 | Link #61 | |
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The only way that a relationship between Milly x Lelouch would have worked was for Milly to take charge with her life by breaking away from the influence of her family, who wanted to use her as a social/political tool to regain their Noble status. And we don't know why the Ashford's lost their Noble status in the first place after Marianne's death. So this possible story has a lot of crediblity to it, just as Kallen's Britannian backgound that links her to her father, since his family is one of the highest ranking Noble families of Britannia. This was a story that was never told in the second season. As for Kallen, the kiss that she initiated was to reveal her feelings for Lelouch. That was the basis to know if there was something there between them. That is not to say that it would not have happened between Milly x Lelouch. The producers never said that Lelouch wasn't interested in Milly Ashford as a potential love interest. Only that her situation at the time would have made it difficult for a relationship to develop because he was a loner and she is an extravert who is very outgoing. But considering that Nina was an introvert, Milly considers her as her best friend. I still believe that a Milly x Kallen x Lelouch relationship could work, as far that their story goes, if there was time for it. Like Kallen, Milly would have had to revealed her feelings to Lelouch by giving him a passionate kiss. That would have been the only way for the fans to know if Lelouch had any romantic feelings for Milly or not. |
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We know exactly why the Ashfords lost their noble status: Marianne's death. She was the only thing granting them that status. Her death caused their company to collapse and that cost them their status. It's made quite clear. Conversely, Kallen is never said to be the daughter of a noble. She's said to be the daughter of a wealthy man, which might imply it but does not assure it. Quote:
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2009-06-14, 23:56 | Link #64 | |
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I'll stick to my opinions while I'll let you stick to yours. AS with last year when everyone was hardpressed about C.C. x Lelouch, look where that ended up? And the same could be applied to Kallen x Lelouch as well. There was no relationship development for Lelouch in Code Geass R2 at all. The only real relationship that came out of it at the end was Orgi x Villetta and Tuddoh x Chiba. And there was very little screentime between them as well. And most people rarely ever talk about Orgi x Villetta and Tuddoh x Chiba as a romantic pair. I will not comment on you replies anymore. |
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2009-06-14, 23:59 | Link #65 | |
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2009-06-15, 00:04 | Link #66 | |
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Hey, what is that ! They say "Make war, not love" ... But You used the Pic which I always said was speaking the truth, back in S1. And even though that will not make me stop disagreeing with you here, a club for the two girls Lelouch loved THIS way....please me. So, this +...some others reasons... ok, I'm in it. (I can hear the "booh" yes I can !) For the love of Lelouch's rest, let's praise those two girls in a little area of peace. And bleh at the harem idea. Kalulu at the same level that others random ships ? Never. And Darth, come on, Kallen's devellopment is hers and hers alone. The change of timeslot didn't hav to change the direction of the romantic devellopment, Kalulu was already present in S1, it didn't came out of nowhere. And Well Morbo touched a sensitive point, maybe nothing happened cause Lelouch wasn't interested. Milly is nice and anything you want but still, one can't blame Lelouch for not having the hots for every girl. He had his reasons for Shirley and Kallen, like let's say, romantic develloment, meaningful interactions ? Lol Darthfury ? No romantic devellopment for Lelouch in R2 ? Okay so, Turn 2, 3, 5, 7, 9,...etc never existed ? There was romantic devellopment, simply not with the girl you want. The one who should be complaining are C.C./Lelouch fans, cause while there was still some devellopment (though they were really mistreated in R2, hey, payback is a bitch) the nature of this devellopment was totally unleft to personnal interpretation. They did clear that up and killed some hopes about some scene by the same way *coughTurn24cough* For Milly, it was like 3 hints in the anime about her feelings and end of the convo. Nothing meaningful there. Even Nina got more to do with Lelouch in the end that Milly.
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2009-06-15, 00:21 | Link #67 | |
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I wanted to know more on Milly Ashford and her family. As well as her relationship towards Lelouch, which was never answered. That was the frustrating part. I stand by this. And Lelouch didn't have the hots for every girl at school. That was Sayoko part as she took the role of Lelouch's double while he was away. She believed that Lelouch was a prevert; and played that believing that he was the lady's man when in fact he wasn't that type of person. So I will never be entirely convinced that Lelouch was in love with Kallen, unless that it was stated by the producers that Kallen x Lelouch was meant to be together. Provide me with this proof from the producers that Lelouch saw Kallen as a love interest instead of Milly, and I'll end the Milly x Lelouch relationship once and for all. |
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2009-06-15, 00:34 | Link #69 | ||
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She was locked up so she could learn more about Lelouch through Nunnally while Lelouch went off the deep end with no one to stop him. It also gave him a more immediate reason to invade Tokyo. That doesn't change the development they were given. Quote:
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2009-06-15, 04:34 | Link #70 | |
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eta: you guys, as much as equality would be nice and flower-ish, some things are not equal. and i think, they will never be. |
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2009-06-15, 04:44 | Link #71 | |
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true that
other then a small expression of interest in turn 12 (small when compared to sheirly for example) there is practiclly NOTHING to suggest a REAL romantic interest from milly's side and absolutly NO interest or even RECOGNITION of milly's interest from lelouch (who thinks that milly's just trying to screw with him again) P.S and we already have 2 bans within 72 hours of the forum being open Quote:
but if ANYTHING lelouch's actions following her capture is possibly the BIGGEST indication of the relationship development the guy who used to view her as little more then a pawn almost shits himself, and then sends his entire ARMY after her, even AFTER being told that doing so would damage his leadership position by showing favoratisem its almost EXACTLY what he does for nunnaly in season 1, except that this time he has someone there to call him out on it, and he STILL does it
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That is "interaction" in a way, just in-direct. Or a better word, would be realization. And it is Lelouch >>> Kallen, a balance the "couple" did need at that moment, i would say. Last edited by incorrupts; 2009-06-15 at 07:47. |
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2009-06-15, 08:01 | Link #73 |
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It's the first indication of what lelouch considers to be kallen value
Diethard puts the eqaution quite clearly, the CF or kallen Lelouch's choice makes it quite clear which one he values more And the OOBK power ranking in so 13 only makes it MORE clear that the choice was an emotional one rather then a logical one (kallen value as part of the OOBK doesn't justify such a risk)
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2009-06-15, 08:51 | Link #74 | |
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We all know that Lelouch wanted to save Kallen, cause he wanted to sing on her out loud {cause back in Turn 9, he sang it inside and did regret it} : "Do do do you wanna be on top, Or on the Ba ba bottom don't make me stop Cause I know oh oh I'm in la la love with you girl" //you gotta love the Plain cuties, right? And yep Vlad {where are you? wry? |D} after the beatles song, we got that one too right now. 8) Ok, on a more serious note {is there? 8D} there is distinguish-material on that scene, it is rather obvious, so case closed. We did exhausted that matter i believe. 8D |
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2009-06-15, 09:34 | Link #75 | |
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All pairings...are not equal! Some involve near-asexual tsunderes and girls with huge tracts of land, some are with well-intentioned extremists and those with motherly dispositions! Still others are between egomaniacl bipolar narcissists with sociopathic tendencies and their masochistic heterosexual life partners, or even a bishounen and an adorable loli for good measure! Yes by series, shippers, and orientation, each and every pairing is inherently different, and that is why people compete! Struggle! Ship! Debate! Analyze evidence! Brave the risk banning! All to see progress! The truth metted out! To enlighten others to canon that they simply can't see, but its there! It's totally there!! What of those who encorage multiple partners?! Crowd pleasers! Cowards who would seek pacification over the 'truth!' The fools who deny romantic subplots?! Wretches who would deny an audience the joy of intriguing character development! All for the sake of "simplistic," or "linear" storytelling!! BUT NO!! Not our [insert your ship here]!! We think! We study! We debate!! We justify! And that is why we hold the right to claim canon above all others! All hail Shipping!! ALL HAIL [Insert your ship here harder than you ever have before]!!!! @Nobody: For some reason I was looking at the pictures of Lelouch, Kallen and Shirley, and imagining their responses to your idea based on those expressions. Lelouch: You know, I am willing to consider this. Kallen: W-w-what! No! I-I mean I...haven't prepared my heart for this... Shirley: Awright!! |
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The only thing people/ships/whatever are equal to, is death. Johan from Monster said so, the guy was genius knows better than us, but i got a feeling i will get off-topic if i go on about him. |D But yeah, nothing is equal, every thing got its unique-ness. Quote:
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However, some people try to use evidence to raise Kalulu or Shirlulu on the canon meter and thus their ship the more legitimate one. But what I'm here to say is that the two pairings were so close, canon-wise, that any attempt at trying to distinguish one as more valid over the other would be a fruitless venture. The quantifiables are too abstract and the results not clear enough. *sigh* I really should have done this a month ago when I was really "feeling" it. |
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you have to understand nobby
the whole POINT of shipping is claming that your ship is better/more canon then the other ships without that claim or mind frame you dont, in fact, HAVE a bloody ship so trying to UNITE the ships, is trying to take out the entire POINT out of shipping
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