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I wouldn't care if a 3rd season was entirely original material as long as it built on what's already been established and maintained continuity throughout the season.
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2009-06-12, 23:36 | Link #102 | ||
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As for the postulation, it looks like I should've been clearer. I meant irrespective of one's own judgment of quality. Not anyone else's. Again, someone may buy something without necessarily liking the whole thing. If, based on your own judgment of quality, you think that something is of a lower quality, and still like it...then yes, that would mean that you like lower-quality series. But that "judgment call" would be one you yourself made. Put more sensibly, it really just shows that people give differing levels of importance to different aspects of a product. Last edited by Ryuou; 2009-06-13 at 00:44. |
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2009-06-13, 00:45 | Link #104 | |
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Sales are just about the only objective metric we have access to that measures popularity, and serves as a fairly reliable predictor of what shows will get sequels. And if a show is popular, who cares if it's "Good" with a capital G? If people enjoy it, for whatever reason, great, and the producers will get the message to make more of the same (hence this "New Shana Project 2009"). And that was the real point here: not that all the people who bought it proves it's Good, it's that it proves it's popular the way it is. So all the source-loyalists who claim that that the show has been a complete failure so far and needs to be remade simply because it hasn't been totally faithful to the books have a legitimate opinion, but the evidence of the show's continued popularity, as demonstrated by sales, suggests that their opinion might not matter as much as they wish it would. And that was the real point of the argument. Fair enough. Speaking of myself, I'm typically the first to admit that my taste in anime sucks by other people's standards -- not that I really care. But, obviously, I buy what I like and selfishly hope that they keep making more. I assume that everyone's the same way to some degree. When it comes right down to it, that "cumulation of personal enjoyment" is really what drives this market. I understand that the source loyalists are also acting out of self-interest, because they want to enjoy the show and believe that they would enjoy it more if it stuck more closely to the original material. My only "objection" is in the way that opinion is often stated -- as if it's some sort of unarguable objective flaw in the show that must be rectified. Truth is, it's all just personal opinion -- I personally thought it was fine the way it was, and I don't think I'm any less "learned" than anyone else. My main wish is that people learn to be a bit less arrogant and presumptive when they state their personal opinions, that's all. |
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2009-06-13, 01:05 | Link #106 | |
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Anyways, season 1 was good, season 2 a bit less ( first part of season 2 wasn't to my liking to much ). J.C Staff has learnt it's mistakes... I hope... ( Geesh, it seems that J.C always folows a marvelous season with a crapier one... *points* *Screwed up ZnT, and others... ) |
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2009-06-13, 02:25 | Link #107 | |
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2009-06-13, 03:38 | Link #108 |
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Ooopss.... sorry, happened when was listening to I say yes Wedding verison. Actually, Saito and Yuji have the same voice actors, and they are a bit similiar also, so I often confound them. ( ZnT + SnS cross over FTW )
Anyone aware if the situation in the light novels developed? I'm to lazy to go and buy them... Are still stuck at Yuji becoming... Anakin Skywalker? Last edited by Terminator98; 2009-06-13 at 11:52. |
2009-06-13, 22:40 | Link #110 | |
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It's fascinating. It's similar to finding one of those little pockets on the internet where people actually like dubs. And what's wrong with wanting to have something of decent quality for once? I felt that the Konoe arc was terrible, and after the entire Pheles arc involved Yuuji screaming like a little girl at the top of his voice, constantly, I gave up on the show. I also hear that in the novels, Yuuji is... actually badass. From rather early on. I'd like to see that, so what's wrong with that? Although, if they're not going to remake it, I'd much rather see them just build off what they have and go entirely into original-material-land even if it sucks, because from what I understand there's very little chance they can continue to adapt the novels, because of the material they excluded that foreshadowed the recent developments. |
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2009-06-13, 23:41 | Link #111 |
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^ There's nothing wrong with wanting to see something animated, but when you start saying it's all the staff's fault and they suck and whatnot just because they didn't cater to your specific personal desires in a show, then you're crossing a line.
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2009-06-14, 00:26 | Link #112 | |
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There's a LOT of people that think this way, and would agree. Just not in this topic, apparently. As a result, I have no backing for discussion here because I'll be immediately shot down with no support for my arguments. Regardless, I'll probably give this new season a few episodes just to see what's what. JC Staff is getting a lot better recently, so... |
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2009-06-14, 00:51 | Link #113 | |
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It's perfectly fine if you don't like a show, but don't act like it's a fact the show sucks just because it doesn't cater to your tastes. That's just your opinion. It doesn't matter how many people share your thoughts, as it still doesn't mean you're the majority. I know a great many people in other threads (and not just on this forum) who share my thoughts on a great many things, such as "we think GSD was a bad show," who don't speak up simply to avoid arguments with hater-trolls or rabid fanboys depending on the show, but we don't start saying the people behind the show suck just because of whether or not the show is according to our tastes.
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2009-06-14, 02:51 | Link #114 | |
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2009-06-14, 05:05 | Link #115 | ||
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2009-06-14, 10:40 | Link #116 |
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Mushi, I do believe that some people here must know how to read japanese... It's usually them that critic the anime I suppose. Also, when readin even the first few chapters of the novels, you kind of get a feeling that it is better than the anime, and you loath "HELL, IT SHOULD'VE BEEN LIKE THAT IN THE ANIME!!!".
I myself experienced this when I saw an anime and I immediately read it's novel afterwards. I'll be reading the SnS novels soon to see for myself. |
2009-06-14, 15:34 | Link #117 | ||
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That's why I prefer to read source material after seeing anime. I like getting the extra details that can only be included in written formats. That way it feels like something is being added, not left out. It feels like reliving the story with extra insight.
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2009-06-14, 15:39 | Link #118 | |
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2009-06-14, 17:54 | Link #119 |
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Considering that attitudes like that always crop up, it leaves me wondering why there are so many posts in the "What [x] (usually manga) do you want to be animated?" threads. People either not end up appreciating the difference between mediums, being fearful of something new or just flat-out complaining. It's a bit disheartening when so many people, in relation to the anime of Show X, only end up saying "don't watch it". It's like the forum is swallowing itself up.
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2009-06-14, 20:13 | Link #120 | |
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So in other words, I don't think the forum is swallowing itself up with negativity. I just think those of us who enjoy anime for what it is (not resent it for what it isn't) need to be a bit more vocal and articulate to balance the discussion. |
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