Ore no Imouto - Light Novel & Manga Discussion Thread

[TkMacintosh]

Originally Posted by Wilshere

http://yaraon.blog109.fc2.com/blog-e....html#comments

This got to be pure hype, right?

And it says for those of us that can't read Japanese?

[Wilshere]

Originally Posted by TkMacintosh

And it says for those of us that can't read Japanese?

I think it somehow says that the anime will go with the Megane ending(Manami or so) which is nonsense. The synopsis of the last episodes say otherwise of course and I really think this is to get people hyped. The premiere is in 9 days so we got to wait.

[relentlessflame]

It's just G's Magazine playing a bit of a game. They have a little section to describe their editorial "predictions" of the various possible endings (not really seriously -- just for fun), but of course it's silly because they already know exactly how it's going to end (even if it were different from the source), so there's no point in them making "predictions". But they're trying to do it in such a way that doesn't actually give away the ending and keeps the "surprise" for those people who haven't already been spoiled. (And then when they get it "wrong", next month they can be like "oh, what a surprise ending!" even though they already knew it. )

Anyway, it is by no means some sort of hint about what's actually going to be in the anime. G's has this sort of "filler" content in their magazines all the time, and they're not trying to pass it off as any sort of official hint or guidance. 2ch and Yaraon are only pointing it out because it's provocative.

[Wilshere]

I don't know if this is ok but I think I'll leave it here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXss...layer_embedded

Its ''Kyousuke's'' somehow confession scene although I think its from the Manami's confrontation. It was at the Oreimo festival just a week ago.

[Kakurin]

Originally Posted by Wilshere

I don't know if this is ok but I think I'll leave it here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXss...layer_embedded

Its ''Kyousuke's'' somehow confession scene although I think its from the Manami's confrontation. It was at the Oreimo festival just a week ago.

Um, the other person was the seiiyu for Saori. I think it's just something funny for that festival.

EDIT: The other video of Hanazawa Kana and Taketatsu Ayana was pretty funny. With Hanazawa Kana as Kuroneko doing that Kirino "Akihabara!" at the end.

[jasonhan416]

I will die happily if they go for ayase ending ^^
If not and just follow the light novel, that would be okay too....

....
AYASE ENDING PLEASE!!

EDIT: I hardly doubt they are going to do it lol

[protheus]

Unfortunately, Ayase's route ended already in the anime, since she got the NO from Kyosuke.

[Kamar]

Just finished the LN series...

Spoiler for Thoughts on the ending:

That agreement of theirs seems completely doomed, doesn't it?

In my head, Kuroneko's comes about down the line as a threesome. To society, Kuroneko is Kyousuke's wife, Kirino is a strange spinster that lives with her brother and friend. Kuroneko, at least, seemed pretty on board with this kind of thing.

Nothing will convince me this isn't true, and unlike most silly headcanon of this sort I can get some support from the text...

[Wilshere]

Originally Posted by Kamar

Just finished the LN series...

Spoiler for Thoughts on the ending:

That agreement of theirs seems completely doomed, doesn't it?

In my head, Kuroneko's comes about down the line as a threesome. To society, Kuroneko is Kyousuke's wife, Kirino is a strange spinster that lives with her brother and friend. Kuroneko, at least, seemed pretty on board with this kind of thing.

Nothing will convince me this isn't true, and unlike most silly headcanon of this sort I can get some support from the text...

Well, how did you come to that conclusion? Kuroneko clearly states that she will never be with Kyousuke and he rejected her. As for them agreeing not to continue this relationship, the epilogue states otherwise.

[Kakurin]

Originally Posted by Kamar

Just finished the LN series...

Spoiler for Thoughts on the ending:

That agreement of theirs seems completely doomed, doesn't it?

In my head, Kuroneko's comes about down the line as a threesome. To society, Kuroneko is Kyousuke's wife, Kirino is a strange spinster that lives with her brother and friend. Kuroneko, at least, seemed pretty on board with this kind of thing.

Nothing will convince me this isn't true, and unlike most silly headcanon of this sort I can get some support from the text...

Kyousuke emphatically shut down the door on every other love interest. It is stated multiple times, that the bridge behind him was cut. So, I really can't follow your thoughts there.

[Kamar]

Woah, just noticed my reply completely vanished. To repeat myself:

@Wilshere, not sure if you're saying the epilogue states they will or won't stick to the agreement. I think it suggests heavily they won't, but doesn't come all the way to saying it outright.

As for Kuroneko...what's said about her Pixiv account seems pretty at odds with her surface actions near the end, being pretty much exactly in line with the 'stick to them both' line she's been following since Vol 8 or earlier.

And...honestly, if the novels ends immediately on heavy implication of 'screw the big firm decision we made' it's hard to take anything else said about the future seriously, isn't it?

But, uh, either way, I didn't expect to find myself instantly on the defensive from multiple fronts about such a silly 'what if' post. :P

[Wilshere]

Originally Posted by Kamar

Woah, just noticed my reply completely vanished. To repeat myself:

@Wilshere, not sure if you're saying the epilogue states they will or won't stick to the agreement. I think it suggests heavily they won't, but doesn't come all the way to saying it outright.

As for Kuroneko...what's said about her Pixiv account seems pretty at odds with her surface actions near the end, being pretty much exactly in line with the 'stick to them both' line she's been following since Vol 8 or earlier.

And...honestly, if the novels ends immediately on heavy implication of 'screw the big firm decision we made' it's hard to take anything else said about the future seriously, isn't it?

But, uh, either way, I didn't expect to find myself instantly on the defensive from multiple fronts about such a silly 'what if' post. :P

I'm sure you are missing a whole lot on the epilogue. Come on, he bought her a ring and,well, kissed her which resulted into more ''life counseling''. If you know what that term really means for both of them, it won't be necessary to get it approved by the author twice.

[Kamar]

Originally Posted by Wilshere

I'm sure you are missing a whole lot on the epilogue. Come on, he bought her a ring and,well, kissed her which resulted into more ''life counseling''. If you know what that term really means for both of them, it won't be necessary to get it approved by the author twice.

I'm not missing anything, I was speaking strictly to what is stated, not what is implied. You're simultaneously telling me they definitely didn't keep a door closed that they said they would shut...

and telling me to expect other people in this series to keep THEIR promises to give up their feelings?

OreImo is built on people lying about their feelings. Kyousuke might be the most unreliable narrator in history.

My ideal post-ending events certainly aren't as cut-and-dry denied as you seem to think.

edit: I could go even further beyond with my silliness by folding Ayase into the group, given her les yay interactions with Kirino and Kuroneko.

alternate troll edition: It's not a all-directions full group thing, just Kirino's harem. :P

[Kakurin]

Originally Posted by Kamar

and telling me to expect other people in this series to keep THEIR promises to give up their feelings?

OreImo is built on people lying about their feelings. Kyousuke might be the most unreliable narrator in history.

It is not about other people's feelings, but rather Kyousuke. Kyousuke might be an unreliable narrator, but his actions have spoken clear words. Just to name a few examples, one is he thanked Kuroneko for cutting all routes back when she disturbed that confession of his. Two, he could have defused that Manami situation by not cutting Kirino off, when she wanted to tell Manami about that agreement. Third, his own assessment in the last chapter. By all accounts, Kyousuke himself closes the door. That's why I have a hard time seeing a basis for your 'what if'. As for the ending, there are many interpretations, I have enclosed my interpretation:

http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost...postcount=3675

Though I have to add, that in this post I did not see the ring-thing in the end. If you look back in this thread, you will see other interpretations that are good.

[Kamar]

Like I said, I have a hard time taking 'shut doors' seriously when the final chapter is agreeing to close a door and the epilogue is picking the lock on that same door.

There's absolutely no reason to think my interpretation is probable, obviously not, but I defend it as 'less improbable than it first seems'.

It doesn't contradict the possibilities, it doesn't require excessive OOCness, and it makes me grin, which is good enough for me.

(...ya know, I own a beard and a business, I don't think I'm legally allowed to argue this much about LN pairings. I'm going to have to give one of these things up now. ;d)

[Wilshere]

He might be an unreliable narrator, sure, but Kyousuke of Volume 12 did not spout a lie. I asked this question once and it really did make sense, ''Why haven't they told Saori and Kuroneko that they are time-limited couple?'' He made it clear that there was no ambiguity in his choice. He won't be available again and really, there was no reason to burn off the bridges to the other girls if that is what he ''wanted''. Case closed for me.

[Kakurin]

Originally Posted by Kamar

Like I said, I have a hard time taking 'shut doors' seriously when the final chapter is agreeing to close a door and the epilogue is picking the lock on that same door.

There's absolutely no reason to think my interpretation is probable, obviously not, but I defend it as 'less improbable than it first seems'.

It doesn't contradict the possibilities, it doesn't require excessive OOCness, and it makes me grin, which is good enough for me.

(...ya know, I own a beard and a business, I don't think I'm legally allowed to argue this much about LN pairings. I'm going to have to give one of these things up now. ;d)

Well, you do have to differentiate about different doors. Furthermore, in this series you have to consider the restrictions the author is under. The author has indicated in interviews, that he was under certain restrictions by the publisher, so the way the story ended was the maximum he could do for a Kirino-ending.

[Sakuratsuki]

Originally Posted by Kamar

OreImo is built on people lying about their feelings. Kyousuke might be the most unreliable narrator in history.

I don't think Oreimo is build upon people lying about their feelings. I think it is build on people who can't express there real feelings because there is something that they want to defend or to hide because of social circumstances or other reasons.

Let us take Kuroneko as an example: I think that Kuroneko knew (from the start) That Kirino and kyousuke were not just normal siblings. Look back at volume 3 chapter 1, this is the volume where Kuroneko for the first time visited the kosaka houshold:

Spoiler for volume 3: chapter 1:

“Thanks for playing with Kirino today.” I relaxed my shoulders and smiled a bit. “Come back anytime. We can have a proper anime appreciation party next time.”

Kuroneko stared me straight in the eye.

“There is something I have been curious about for a while now. This is as good a chance as any, so I'll ask now. Why do you do these things for your sister despite how cruelly she treats you?”

Now that was a good question. I honestly didn't know. It had started out with me just going with the flow and it was actually still that way. But that's not all there was to it, was it? I'd rather not admit that, though.

In the end, there was only one thing I could say.

“Sorry, I don't really know.”

“...Are you a siscon?”

“It’s definitely not that!”

Why would you say that!? Of course I'm not!

Spoiler for Long post:

When kyousuke tried his very best to repair the dispute between Kuroneko and Kirino. When Kuroneko wanted to go home she said to kyousuke: why did he do all this things for Kirino despite her treating him like trash? Kyousuke couldn't give a clear answer. This is already saying to the reader, why does he help her? He has to have a reason for it? Wouldn't you agree with that?

This is why I think Kuroneko knew the answer (read volume 3 chapter 1). But she tested him. That is why she asked it directly. And from the answer she concluded that he himself didn't know about his feelings. That is why I think that Kuroneko behaved like she did trough the story. Because she knew that there was something between them and that it was not just a plain sibling relationship. And she wanted to make it clear to Kyousuke that his sister loved him and not just in a normal sibling way. So that she can be sure about it that Kyousuke chooses the one he likes after he knows the true feelings of Kirino.

I think that Kyousuke was the only one who didn't understand the actions of his sister. But the other girls: manami, kuroneko etc, knew about it. That is because she behaved differently towards Kyousuke.

About Manami it is also very clear why she behaved that way. She also knew that there was something between kirino and kyousuke and she wanted to do anything to stop this from happening. Call it evil or not but her intentions were socially reasonable. That is why I think she behaved that way.

Can you call this people lairs? No, I don't think so, because it is a difficult situation and a difficult topic in society to be CLEAR ABOUT IT AND TO SHOUT IT OUT!!!!
This are just two examples, there are actually more things to mention.

The reason why I mentioned this is because the author didn't wanted to tell us: 'this persons (kirino etc) are just lairs!' and you can't trust them. But he wanted to tell us: that this persons have a reason for acting this way. And the only person who didn't know was Kyousuke the narrator himself.

So I think that all the persons in the novel knew that kirino and kyosuke where not a plain brother and sister expect for kyousuke the narrator himself. I think he was the only one who didn't know his real feelings. That is why I think he himself was very vague and weird with his own words. Reading back, I see a progress of kyousuke changing his way of thinking towards his sister because of life counseling. Life counseling connected them (before they entered a cold war first). I think that the climax of the story is at the time when Kuroneko confessed to him and forced kirino this way to express her real feelings ( I think this was her real intentions for her dating Kyousuke at that time and that she planned it ahead) towards her brother. I think this was the turning point for Kyousuke for starting to realize why his sister is this cute

Yes indeed Kyousuke is an unreliable narrator sometimes, but the following things that he did couldn't be done by someone who is lying to himself about his real feelings:

- listening to kirino's life counseling
- not wanting her to have a boyfriend
- confessing to her
- Buying her things
- Her treating him like trash but he didn't do nothing about it why?

This things can't impossible be classified as just a lie.
We can go one and one with a big list about why Kyousuke was true about his feelings at the end of volume 12. But I don't have to proof that to you. His intentions were clear and his rejections towards the other girls were clear.

Besides I don't think that a girl is crazy enough to try to confess again to a guy who rejected her. I don't think that Kuroneko is crazy enough to try to confess again to Kyousuke. Even if she accepted it (relationship between kirino and kyosuke), she couldn'’t impossible try to come between them again. Kuroneko is not that desperated and she is a good character.

Besides the things that you can pick up from the epilogue are:

- Ring (the thing is why a ring after she returned back the ring to kyousuke)
- Kiss
- Tsundere
- Life counseling

The funny thing about this epilogue is that it gives you a connection with the whole story, what started with a life counseling ended in a life counseling and that is were the author stops. The interesting things in the epilogue are:

- Ring of mereru
- Kiss

At the final chapter they kissed and they stopped to be lovers and kirino returned the ring to him. To understand the true meaning of the wedding of volume 12 (final chapter) you have to pay attention to the words of mikigami, that is the key to understand that this wedding is not just a lie. He is a weird guy but at volume 12 he said something about the meaning of a wedding for him towards society.

And in the epilogue again whe read a sudden kiss and a kirino behaving the way she always does but whe know now that she didn't’t have a problem wit it because the way she acted.

And the words of the author that said that he couldn't make the ending more obvious because of editing policies and he stated also that it is a 100% kirino ending, backed this up. So saying that epilogue is implying another girl ending or an open ending has not much evidence to support it and it contradicts the story of a 100% kirino ending who couldn't have been made more obvious because of editing policies, and it contradicts the story about Kirino wanting to express her hiding feelings and a Kyousuke who was not clear about his feelings at first changing to clear feelings towards his sister.

Calling him a lair is saying that this is a TROLL story. Ahahahahah

Let me point out that this is just a part of there life when they are 14 and 17 years old till 15 and 18 years. So what happens after we don't know, at this part is were the story ends.

But this is just how I see the story from my point of view and nothing more.

Editing: sorry for the long post, i have placed it in a spoiler tag

[seangel92]

Kyosuke burned all the bridges and he loves kirino, I don't know how people still saying that he gonna end with kuroneko, manami or his teacher...

[Kamar]

Your essay convinced me I enjoyed the series wrong and that my imagination did a bad thing.

I'm sorry.

edit: okay, that was a bit mean-spirited, but I expected more of a 'to each his own' dismissal and not, like, essays about how wrong I am for musing about a maybe.