2011-01-06, 17:00 | Link #21341 | |
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2011-01-06, 17:01 | Link #21342 | ||
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I thought it was funny how she calmly frooze time, recited Lambda's moves as if she wrote them herself, and then decided how the scene would play out. Pretty unfavorable to Lambda, no? Lamda: ...mons... ster... Featherinne: "monster" is one way of giving me praise. kukukuku hahahahaha! Quote:
I hope that stays true to the story he wanted to convey. If he never wanted to give definite answers who are we to demand them? Are we the goats?
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2011-01-06, 17:11 | Link #21343 |
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I think the problem is the execution of an unsolved mystery and its ending. Umineko has an ending for now, but not a satisfying one. "More people would be happy for the truth of an murder mystery to remain sealed away" just isn't realistic or believable in my books.
In a certain Nukui Tokurou's mystery novel, the mystery is also unsolved at the end. However, it depicts people feeling helpless, frustrated, and being in despair when they reach that conclusion. It's a realistic description of how unfair and frustrating the world is, when it reaches that state. By showing and constantly proving that the truth is better sealed away, the only people can accept that (beside hardcore fans) are: Ange - who actually have seen the truth and ran away from it. Ikuko - suspected to be the mastermind. People in golden land - people became fantasy and lives forever as an result. However, realistically, that just violates people's lives. It's like saying, "oh, it's better if we don't find that killer. No need to care about the will of these people since they are dead already." And insulting the readers definitely does not help the ending.
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2011-01-06, 17:28 | Link #21344 |
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It's believable, but it's also hardly the only position a person could reach. If the author intends to sell us on a conclusion (that is, he's advancing this as a moral), he didn't do very well. If he's just trying to analyze the way people cope with the situation, he didn't give fair time to alternatives. That's not to say it didn't play out precisely as he intended it though. You certainly don't have to agree with the moral of a story.
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I'm almost certain they are past their copyright date, so it's fine to post them here. Original story: http://everything2.com/title/The+Mysterious+Card Sequel: http://everything2.com/title/The+Mys...+Card+Unveiled They are very short(together, they don't add up to 50 pages) so give it a read. Hope you liked that sneak peak into the future when Ryuukishi reveals the one truth in Rei. Which I'm almost certain he will. |
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2011-01-06, 17:56 | Link #21346 | |
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Spoiler for Dum dee dum:
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2011-01-06, 18:01 | Link #21347 |
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The third story was "The Spy and the Mysterious Card", by Edward D. Hoch. (Check through back issues of Ellery Queen's Mystery Magazine at your local library if you want to read it.)
And I don't think the question is "Can Ryu think of a solution?", it's "Did Ryu have a solution in mind before he wrote things initially?" "The Mysterious Card" was written without a solution in mind, and the author's attempts to kludge one in after the fact demonstrate that. (See also _Twin Peaks_.) On the other hand, "The Lady and the Tiger" (there's a sequel "The Discourager of Hesitancy") doesn't seem to have the same problems over its ambiguous ending. OTOH, the story is perfectly comprehensible on its own.
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2011-01-06, 18:48 | Link #21350 | |
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Who is the ones violating people's lives here? The ones who want to read Eva's diary or the ones who doesn't want to publicize it?
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2011-01-06, 19:09 | Link #21351 |
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I personally find appeals to morality quite weak when it comes to this story. I don't have any reason to care about intruding the lives of fictional characters, and if Ryukishi wanted to convince me (and the rest of the readers) to care, he wasn't very successful. Besides, if that was the point he was trying to make, "Without Love, it cannot be seen" are terrible arc words (how about "With Love, it cannot be seen").
I mean, I know how everyone hates Bern for being a nasty troll, but she's really just having fun with fiction here.* It would be fine if he was trying to make a philosophical point about tragedy in general, but I don't really feel this from Umineko. Throughout the tale, we've always been talking about the tragedy, the culprit. It's way too specific to have any sort of generalisable value. *e- at the very least, to her, a witch who can travel between kakera, a specific kakera is no more than fiction. Last edited by witchfan; 2011-01-06 at 19:26. |
2011-01-06, 19:52 | Link #21352 | |
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Actually, if Rei IS Land of the Golden Witch I expect it to be labeled 'Episode 3'.
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I do wish Ryukishi had included something of that nature, (especially considering that Umineko is a game, not a book) such as a final choice about "opening the box" or not. |
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2011-01-06, 20:04 | Link #21353 | ||
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- Yasu = Beatrice (we also know her background and apparent motive) - There's a big hint about her plan being nothing more than a play, which was quite possibly hijacked - We also have Rudolph and Kyrie as tentative culprits (I'm going by Ange's reaction to the truth here) So, if you piece all of this together, you can end up, I believe, with a rather solid theory. Of course, you have nothing to compare it with, and know if you're right. However, I think that's better than nothing, and somewhat satisfying.
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2011-01-06, 22:48 | Link #21354 | ||
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And yes, I do find ambiguity preferable to a fucking retarded, contradictory, plot-hole filled answer. Atleast with the ambiguous answer I can imagine that the answer is something better. Quote:
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2011-01-06, 23:02 | Link #21356 | ||
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As for /jp/, some of them do speak Japanese, and they do post useful stuff. However, other users just post things they've misinterpreted from 2ch (or some other sites), their own fake spoilers or just wrong understanding of actual spoilers. Info from Animesuki and other forums also tends to end up there.
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2011-01-07, 00:28 | Link #21359 | |
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Yes, EP8 has both a Tea Party and an ????. Featherine apparently killed Lambda, then brought her back for trolololol.
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2011-01-07, 00:37 | Link #21360 |
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Featherine killed Lambda? Wow she must be powerful! I though she was just a sleepy watcher on the slidelines but I guess she also have hidden motives like Bern.
Wait how did she kill Lambda? Lambda was formerly the most powerful witch in the Umineko universe. |
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