[MANGA] Bleach Weekly Chapter 500+ Discussion

[GDiddy]

Good to see the one true Troll King in this series back and fucking with Ywach


Is this really ending on 8/4? Because if that's true....someone at WSJ must want Kubo's arse GONE

[Kafriel]

They still count for the BLEACH arm counter, right?

[GDiddy]

Aizen can probably regenerate his arm.


Just let Ywach alive enough to kill off Ichigo and Renji because fuck those two assclowns Uryu can stay though. So can Aizen obviously.

[quigonkenny]

Originally Posted by itachi-san314

Pretty cool chapter. Would have preferred Aizen was doing this while still in the chair though.

At what point did you start to assume he isn't?

God, I love that meme...

Originally Posted by LevelSeven

but than would the weakness evolve too?
all someone has to do is to touch aizens body and the illusion is dispelled and not usable for said person ever again :O
actually, i could imagine to see something like that being the reason why in the next chapter ywach curpstomps everyone

Let's investigate that theory. Yhwach cuts off "Renji's" (and "Zabimaru's") arm. A few panels later, Aizen "interposes himself between Yhwach and Renji". Later in the chapter Yhwach impales "Ichigo" with his arm. A few panels later, "Ichigo" turns into Aizen.

Looks like each time Yhwach touches Aizen while the latter is clothed in illusion, it does fade shortly afterwards. Clearly Yhwach is still susceptible to KS, though. Just not that particular illusion.

Another question. Is Renji even there? Ichigo appears to be, at least at the end, but the only "Renji" we've seen this chapter was pretty obviously Aizen.

As for the question of how Aizen knows what their new Bankais look like, I don't consider it a plot hole. In order to properly use such a hax ability as KS without small inconsistencies allowing it to be seen through as soon as his back is turned, Aizen would have to have some kind of supernatural perceptive abilities that allow him to see things he shouldn't be able to. A necessary secondary ability, much like the Flash's ability to avoid friction damage when moving at great speeds. We're simply seeing more proof of its existence here. If it exists in the world of Bleach, just assume Aizen knows about it. You'll be right much more often than you're wrong.

[GDB]

I just assumed that it has the ability to use the "victim's" knowledge against them. Yhwach knows what Ichigo's new bankai looks like, so that's what he sees.

[Hakai]

Aizen-Samaaaaa!

Please troll the living daylight out of us before it ends!

Best chapter of the last arc.

[Mad Pierrot]

Wasn't Ichigo's zanpakuto going to be broken again or was that another illusion?

[sayde]

It was an illusion. The only time we ever saw Ichigo for real during this fight so far was at the very end of the chapter when he sliced Yhwach in two.

[Kanon]

Originally Posted by GDB

I just assumed that it has the ability to use the "victim's" knowledge against them. Yhwach knows what Ichigo's new bankai looks like, so that's what he sees.

That's exactly it. Aizen is just letting Yhwach see what he wants to see, hence why he comments it's fascinating he's currently seeing Ichigo. Instead of actively controlling the illusion, he's letting Yhwach's imagination do all the work.

[DerGilga]

Originally Posted by Kanon

That's exactly it. Aizen is just letting Yhwach see what he wants to see, hence why he comments it's fascinating he's currently seeing Ichigo. Instead of actively controlling the illusion, he's letting Yhwach's imagination do all the work.

But based on that you could say Ichigo and Renji appeared at the end of last chapter because it was Yhwach who expected it and not Aizen actively creating them. Also the crack on Aizen sword seem to be the same as on that fake Tensa Zangetsu.

[quigonkenny]

Originally Posted by Kanon

That's exactly it. Aizen is just letting Yhwach see what he wants to see, hence why he comments it's fascinating he's currently seeing Ichigo. Instead of actively controlling the illusion, he's letting Yhwach's imagination do all the work.

Entirely possible, but if that's the extent of how KS works, it would set up a plot hole going back to the SS Arc, where Unohana independently became suspicious of Aizen's "death" due to inconsistencies during his "autopsy". If she were only to see what she expected to see, that's a lot less likely. Perhaps it's a combination of the two, where he can sometimes actively control the illusions, and he can sometimes let the victim influence them, at the cost of his own perception of those illusions.

Still think KS grants him some kind of additional perception. It fits too well as an explanation for his near-omniscience at times. And then there's that still-unmentioned patch he's wearing. The characters' silence on that accessory gets louder and louder each chapter...

[kagato3]

Originally Posted by GDiddy

Good to see the one true Troll King in this series back and fucking with Ywach


Is this really ending on 8/4? Because if that's true....someone at WSJ must want Kubo's arse GONE

Last info from last week from one of the editors was Bleach would end within the next 10 weeks so it's unlikely there are only 2 chapters left.

[itachi-san314]

I would love it if Ywach was already dead and Aizen was just messing with Ichigo making him chop Renji in half

[Galaxian]

I'm not the biggest Aizen fan, but after all of Yhwach's godmodding, it was really satisfying to see someone pull one over him.

[Vajra]

Originally Posted by Galaxian

I'm not the biggest Aizen fan, but after all of Yhwach's godmodding, it was really satisfying to see someone pull one over him.

There was little choice in the matter, Kubo wrote himself into a corner making Yhwach basically the most OP villain in shonen history if not for Aizen the manga may as well just end with the villain lolnope-killing everyone & everything since he is basically better than a God now. Watch out Blackbeard, Dio Brando & Frieza here comes mustache-sama

[Kanon]

Originally Posted by quigonkenny

Entirely possible, but if that's the extent of how KS works, it would set up a plot hole going back to the SS Arc, where Unohana independently became suspicious of Aizen's "death" due to inconsistencies during his "autopsy". If she were only to see what she expected to see, that's a lot less likely. Perhaps it's a combination of the two, where he can sometimes actively control the illusions, and he can sometimes let the victim influence them, at the cost of his own perception of those illusions.

Still think KS grants him some kind of additional perception. It fits too well as an explanation for his near-omniscience at times. And then there's that still-unmentioned patch he's wearing. The characters' silence on that accessory gets louder and louder each chapter...

He can definitely control the illusions if he wants to. I suppose he just chose to use this method against Yhwach because it's more efficient against a single opponent. It wouldn't work against multiple ones, as it would create too many inconsistencies.

[Sixth]

I hope that the attack at least hurt/weaken Ywach. Kinda tired of him being "lol no, your attack failed".

[Galaxian]

And pretty good description of the battle between Yhwach and Aizen...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1d1GS8ruALI

[LevelSeven]

^lol, but who would be ywach and who aizen?

[Saravis4]

Originally Posted by Sakuranbo

There was little choice in the matter, Kubo wrote himself into a corner making Yhwach basically the most OP villain in shonen history if not for Aizen the manga may as well just end with the villain lolnope-killing everyone & everything since he is basically better than a God now. Watch out Blackbeard, Dio Brando & Frieza here comes mustache-sama

The funny thing is is this plan shouldn't have even worked. Ywach has the power to change the future. Even if he was fooled by Aizen's hypnosis, there was nothing preventing him from knowing that Ichigo would attack from behind and just change the future to whatever. Hell, he wouldn't even need to change anything, he could just dodge the attack.

Also, Ichigo finally managed to pull off an attack with his shiny new bankai. Humorously disappointing.

My hope with this is that Ichigo never even attacked, Aizen is just mindfucking Ywach.