2010-12-19, 07:55 | Link #19941 | |
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2010-12-19, 12:10 | Link #19943 | |
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1) George's proposal 2) The Typhoon 3) Parents money problems reach their peak
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2010-12-19, 13:05 | Link #19948 | |
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I would easily agree with you if something like "Gohda's note" did not exist.
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2010-12-19, 13:17 | Link #19949 | |
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2010-12-19, 13:17 | Link #19950 |
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we don't actually know. some people speculate that the accident involved something of that sort.
IMO, the name 理御 sounds like a male name, and kinzo says he wanted to give this child that name, however something must've prevented that from happening, so maybe that is because they became female due to the accident, and so the character ends up becoming claire/yasu/beatrice. In other words, if they are not dropped off the cliff and are accepted by Natsuhi, they are male and named Lion. If they fall off the cliff they become female/unknown, Yasu/Claire. However, because they are not actually female, this causes the split personality issue, and explains the creation of Kanon as a male personality. Last edited by zorahk; 2010-12-19 at 13:28. |
2010-12-19, 13:19 | Link #19951 |
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To play witch's advocate here for a sec, is there really problem with both Shannon and Kanon existing? I'm not saying they both existed on Rokkenjima at the day of the massacre. I'm also not saying Beatrice did not conjure up a magical little brother for Shannon. But, is there a problem with a person called Kanon, that exists regardless, and works as a servant on the island?
Unless I'm out of my mind and am forgetting an important detail, it's not such an outrageous claim. We haven't gotten to see a lot of Shannon-Kanon interaction in EP7, which may imply that, behind the scenes, a lot was going on between them. |
2010-12-19, 13:28 | Link #19953 |
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It is definitely not implied they are split personalities. I don't believe that makes sense at all. If anything, they are different aspects of Yasu's personality.
Going along with my previous conjecture, here's a wild guess. What if Kanon existed, and died prior to the day of the crime*? I believe this explains the "pitfall" Wright almost got himself into in the beginning of the episode. It brings up interesting possibilities in regard to the love duel. Lastly, it might explain why 1986 is such a cursed year. How about it? Am I speaking nonsense, or does anyone care to take this line of thought further? * EPs 5-6 might be an exception. |
2010-12-19, 13:31 | Link #19954 | |
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If the child never falls off the cliff, we know it is Lion, whom I believe is male. If the child falls off the cliff, it becomes female/unknown, and does not receive the name Lion. Yasu's choice is whether to live as a female or male. Their body is not fit for love because of the accident, and that is why we get the love trial. |
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2010-12-19, 13:35 | Link #19955 |
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That's like the very first assumption behind shkanon that was ever made, and that's what I always assumed it was before EP6.
But somehow the more I read Umineko the less probable that theory seemed...
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2010-12-19, 13:35 | Link #19956 |
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zorahk, I certainly hope the motive isn't a gender identity crisis. In any case, you misunderstand. It's possible to be both an aspect of Yasu's personality, and a servant in reality. The Kanon "imaginary friend" might've been created as a result of (real) Kanon's death. It might also not exist at all, except as a character in the story.
Jan-Poo, I'm glad I'm not the only one that thought of this seriously here! As I mentioned, I suspect EPs 5-6 could be worlds where Kanon did not die (the 'lesser' crime, for example, could be explaind - of course Kanon would still not be present in the island... and could it explain the young male voice in EP5? Was it confirmed there were 16 people across all games? Just throwing wild guesses as I try to think this out). Last edited by witchfan; 2010-12-19 at 13:50. |
2010-12-19, 13:57 | Link #19957 |
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Here's my theory. There are three important factors:
- Shannon (female side) - Kanon (male side) - Winchester (fallic object - i.e. a penis) We tend to see Shannon more than what we see Kanon. In addition, whenever Kanon is shown, it's always described as if he was some sort of shadow, as if he is something that is not really there. In additon, whenever he dies, he always disappears. We know Yasu fell from a cliff 19 years ago (or so, that's what we've been told), and it seems her body received some sort of damage which turned her body into "something that cannot love". Of course, a damaged uterus could be an explanation behind this. There may be other explanations as well, but what about a broken penis? If Yasu grew thinking of herself as a girl, but then learning she actually was born a man, but that he lost his penis, then I guess his reaction would be rather understandable. In additon to this, in EP6 we learned that Kinzo used to shoot guns with Kanon. Why Kanon in particular? This may be a reference, or more clearly, a hint of the symbolical relationship of Kanon and the Winchesters. Moreover, if we go by the Love Duel, we can clearly tell the obvious symbolism when Kanon "lost his gun" and then "had the gun without a bullet" and thus, lost the duel. Of course, this doesn't mean that Shannon has a penis. In fact, there's no connection between her and guns or any fallic object, and thus, a penis. So, in absence of a penis, Yasu, as Shannon, decided to live as a woman, since, perhaps, with surgery and constant injection of estrogens, something could be done about her condition. Other possible references would be Kanon being the one who told Moetrice how to become Beatrice, or why Beatrice is always smoking a "pipe". In fact, Kanon constant enmity toward Beatrice could be a sign of Kanon's bitternes of his lost manliness. Simply by the existence of the guns and Kanon's apparent ethereal nature, this level of reasoning is possible for Used Can. ......What do you think, everyone?
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2010-12-19, 14:08 | Link #19959 | |
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2010-12-19, 14:54 | Link #19960 | |
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