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2010-06-18, 15:47 | Link #11282 | |
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2010-06-18, 16:59 | Link #11283 |
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In Episode 1, Kanon finds the wire cutters in the "storage room". (When reading the episode, it appears to mean the site of the first twilight, but there's also an underground storage room in the mansion mentioned in Episode 5.)
In Episode 4, Battler finds the wire cutters in the boiler room. Conclusion: Somebody moved the cutters at some point in one of those two Episodes. Letting somebody out of the shed (or escaping the shed) seems the most likely reason to me.
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2010-06-18, 17:04 | Link #11284 | |
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2010-06-18, 17:06 | Link #11285 | |
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The important thing about Kanon's visit to the shed in Ep1, though, is that he does not ask Genji for the key (even though the shed should be locked with a padlock from outside, and Genji should have the only key displayed, and there probably should be two keys since padlocks normally come with two - so where did the second one go?) or pay any attention to any of the bodies, which should still be in there. Kumasawa, who has not yet seen the bodies, goes with him and does not even gasp.
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2010-06-18, 17:08 | Link #11286 |
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In the novel, the background used is very definitely marked in code comments as the ceiling of the garden storehouse, though, and the text seems to concur that it is the garden storehouse.
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2010-06-18, 17:25 | Link #11288 | |
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Ah, yes, my bad, you are correct.
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2010-06-18, 17:26 | Link #11289 | |
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Somebody mentioned the end of episode 1 a while ago, what with the "raising the staff". There's also one other point of interest in that ending that I'd like to point out.
The fact that Battler, George, Jessica and Maria actually "meet" someone should already tell something. Both Jessica and George are focused on this new figure, and Maria even runs up to "her", calling "her" Beatrice. Battler even aims for her. And then we hear this "Witch" laugh. Laugh in a way that can be described as "quite" insane. However, interesting thing in this laugh is not that it's heard, it's that Battler actually corrects himself later when describing that laugh. Quote:
Now, does this mean that this is the first time Maria is actually counted as a "witch"? So, in other words, our first glimpse at MARIA? Or could this, possibly, mean that there is not only one person in the shadows, but two? Just a thought.
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2010-06-18, 17:34 | Link #11290 | |
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Genji probably kept one in order to let out the FT faker(s) later on. He's talking about Maria, yeah. There's a panel in the manga with the two standing side-by-side, laughing together. |
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2010-06-18, 17:48 | Link #11293 | |
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But, the possibility of more than one person being there cannot be strictly discounted, as both Kanon and Shannon (or a different undefined murderer which pretended to be a corpse during the first twilight - that red really isn't very clear) can possibly be alive at that moment, and we aren't even fully certain if those two have one body or two between them. There is one other interesting thing in that story that I don't see mentioned often. That is, Natsuhi doesn't just run out into the hall, she is lured out by a letter. Our only hint about the contents of this letter is Natsuhi's phrase said during the ensuing magical scene: "Both I, bearing the title of representative to the Ushiromiya family, and you, the one who claims to succeed the head of the Ushiromiya family, are here right now. ......At this point, whether you are a witch or not is a trivial problem!" This would suggest that the letter claimed that someone actually has succession rights. I don't remember any other instance of any "Beatrice" suggesting anything of the sort except Evatrice. By the logic of the Ushiromiya ranking, Jessica is the currently highest ranking Ushiromiya, and would be the default successor. The only ones who could theoretically jump in before her if the ranking is followed are:
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2010-06-18, 18:05 | Link #11294 | |
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So it doesn't exactly matter where she is on the hierarchy. As long as 1.) "Beatrice" doesn't die and 2.) "Beatrice" is at least mentioned once in Kinzo's plans for his successor Then it doesn't matter too much, I'd think. Maybe "Beatrice" killed Natsuhi with whatever (probably the gun) and at least incapacitated the others, then fled to a safe spot. Now, the problem becomes "does the bomb detonate at exactly midnight?" because if so, the grandfather clock rang after Natsuhi's confrontation and there was no way "Beatrice" could have escaped in time. |
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2010-06-18, 18:20 | Link #11295 | |
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For the same reason, if anyone wishes to become the successor by default by being in the ranking list and killing off everyone else, if they know about the bomb, it makes no sense for them whatsoever to stick around at all at this point (when everybody has to think they're dead or never existed) or call Natsuhi out to personally kill her (which incurs absolutely pointless risk as she'll be dead in a few minutes anyway). Only a very, very vindictive person would bother killing anyone personally and use an endgame explosion that's enough to pulverise all the bodies whether they are living or dead to cover their tracks, and this does not sit well with the motive of becoming the successor by default as the only survivor. It is much more reasonable that whoever is the "Beatrice" calling Natsuhi out does not know about the endgame event at all. This logic remains the same even if the endgame event is not required to be triggered strictly at the clock tick, as it is not required to incapacitate anyone to kill them with it or duel Natsuhi - blocking the door from outside while they're in the room (like Natsuhi herself did) and fleeing would be quite sufficient.
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2010-06-18, 18:29 | Link #11296 | |
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Maybe the "Beatrice" in the letter is not the same person as the one who kills Natsuhi. Any of these could have happened then: 1.) "Beatrice" sets us up the bomb, Culprit 2 kills Natsuhi and everyone except "Beatrice" dies. 2.) Nobody knows about the bomb (a victim of the First or Second Twilights is responsible for the explosion), and "Beatrice" kills Natsuhi with the intent of killing off the children, so can attain "head of the family" by default. She anticipates that they would escape the room and flees, planning to isolate them and kill them. Bomb detonates, EVERYONE dies. 3.) As you say, somebody does not know about the bomb and, for whatever reason, is confident enough about both their position as head (for an unknown reason) and their current weapon and calls out Natsuhi. Similar to choice 1. It would definitely be more interesting to go with your idea though, that "Beatrice" already is sure about her being the head. |
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2010-06-18, 18:32 | Link #11297 |
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Yeah I think the storehouse might be a room in the mansion too. That just seems to make more sense than going outside to the garden shed, and I think wire cutters are something you'd keep inside anyway.
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2010-06-18, 18:39 | Link #11298 | |
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We know the bomb happens after the 2 days. We also assume murders happen during those two days. Now me personally I think whether the culprit knows or not about the bomb is irrelevant. The fact is people have a motive for murder. People have a motive to make the bomb. The bomb can be explained later. What I'm more concerned about is: if the bomb was used for murder does that even make sense? Why give them two days to live if you hate them and yourself enough to destroy everything on a 10 KM island? Why not do it right away?
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2010-06-18, 18:44 | Link #11299 | |
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For example, a popular theory is that Shannon is the bomber. She wants Battler to remember his sin and stuff. When he never does, or Shannon is killed before he can, the bomb goes off. Theoretically she would disarm it if he did. |
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2010-06-18, 19:10 | Link #11300 |
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There is another motive though. Suppose someone knew this disaster was going to happen, but they were not the cause of it and there was nothing they could do about it. How would you like the people you love to spend their final moments? Would you just leave them be and have a normal, boring, family conference, maybe with a few of the kids playing Uno? Or would you want them to experience something more exciting?
Now the motive I'm proposing here is that this person wants to take the blame over the person who actually deserves it. Or they want the others to have fun as opposed to the culprit having fun. Letting them hate someone in thier last moments when the person responsible isn't present at least shows this person has some empathy. Now this is a rational reason, and it explains the fake death conspiracy actually. Me thinks the culprit just has communication problems.
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