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Perfect 10 | 36 | 42.35% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 35 | 41.18% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 9 | 10.59% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 2 | 2.35% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 2 | 2.35% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 1 | 1.18% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
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2012-08-14, 10:19 | Link #81 |
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And we are done with the Culture Festival Arc. Although it did feel draggy, overall it was excellently done and this episode was a strong finisher to the arc. Houtarou basically went "Un-go" mode in unraveling the mysteries and I lold at the way he managed to sneak in blackmailing the student council president into buying a large chunk of the Hyouka copies. I also particularly liked the bit of commentary where the student council president was upset how the writer of the A Corpse by Evening was similar to Oreki in nature. Extremely skilled in an area, but doesn't give a damn, in others a prodigy in a certain area. For Oreki it's his detective and analytical skills, and for the writer, his ability to write what is apparently an amazing story whilst not even trying. I'm taking the purpose for this is to encourage Oreki to not let his talent remain untapped.
I do think a few things prevent this episode from being a perfect 10/10 though. First is that the fact that the best mysteries always give a "show don't tell" approach. Unfortunately, the revelations of the mysteries here was pretty much like the case in Un-Go where it was told, step by step tracing back to the clues, rather than letting the audience figure out by being "shown" the solution. It feels like giving the solutions out to a complicated test paper rather than shown how to solve the said test paper questions. Nonetheless, the way it was told was excellent so I'm not gonna be too hard on it. Another criticism I'll make is the character of Chitanda. She has... done very little this arc and is the character that has developed the least throughout the series. At this point, I'm starting to get a little bit sick of her antics and I'm seeing little else but a "moeblob" character whose a romantic interest to Oreki whilst providing comic relief. The male characters in Hyouka are definitely stronger than the female characters... but this probably a good trade considering how many slice of life animes these days (even popular, highly recepted ones) put females on the forefront whilst making fun of or ignoring its male counterpart - See Kokoro Connect and to a lesser extent Tari Tari for example. Anyways, what a fantastic arc that was. I'll even say that was better than the teacher/student getting expelled arc (sorry forgot the guy's name), and DEFINITELY better than the Eba arc. This puts Hyouka around the 8/10 for me now up from 7/10 after the subpar Eba arc. |
2012-08-14, 12:02 | Link #82 | |
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2012-08-14, 13:05 | Link #83 | |
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2012-08-14, 13:32 | Link #84 |
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You know it's funny: Last episode I was willing to think Fukube was being really harsh on himself. After all Oreki hadn't really figured out anything amazing yet. He was just lucky enough to have received the manga and drew conclusions from the blurb that anyone with half a brain could've been able to do. But then this episode happens and he just completely blew me away. Would not like to be in Fukube's shoes.
It's a bit hard to believe there was no motive behind Oreki's sister giving him the broken pen and manga, though. If so, the coincidence of it all would've been Gosick level. But I suppose in this case it was intentional.
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2012-08-14, 14:56 | Link #86 | |
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2012-08-14, 16:48 | Link #87 | |
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I enjoyed this arc overall, mainly due to the focus on everyone else. The mystery wasn't as engaging for me, but the themes were more relatable. |
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2012-08-14, 17:12 | Link #88 | |
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2012-08-14, 17:20 | Link #89 |
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Well, what other deal was he going to offer?
- Even if he did rat Tanabe out... so what? It's just a little prank. Annoying, to be sure, but he wouldn't have gotten into the kind of trouble the other guy would have due to his family's position. - The whole point (from Houtarou's point of view) was a publicity stunt. |
2012-08-14, 23:31 | Link #91 | |
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Back on topic, I figured that the show didn't need to say it. It's an open problem that has no solution. I think the fact that the episode ended on a happy note, with the Classics Club celebrating the end of the festival, was an indication that despite the issue of unequal talents, we should just take it in stride and enjoy life as it goes. While the problem won't go away, good company will make it a lot more tolerable. Granted, I might be overreaching myself here. But still, interpreting it in that matter makes the entire episode so much more meaningful for me.
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2012-08-14, 23:32 | Link #92 |
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Oreki is just like the girl that wrote Body Talk. He already suffered his inferiority complex phase (i.e. all his childhood with his sister) and got over it. Satoshi is more like Mayaka: the failure (at that particular area of knowledge, be it drawing manga or "solving mysteries").
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2012-08-15, 00:03 | Link #93 | |
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In fact, this episode already had an effect on how I felt about the typical take on this issue in anime/manga/light novel. I just read from a rather popular light novel that went on about how talent is not an issue and how believing in oneself is the greatest strength and whatnot. And I was like "That's rather...childish." Hopefully this mindset of mine won't last too long (concerning enjoying a story, not real life) because otherwise I will probably have a problem with almost all shonen story out there. |
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2012-08-15, 04:58 | Link #95 |
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I'm not sure if I haven't made it clear. The "mindset" I talked about is my own impression that "believe in yourselves" idea is childish. If I keep thinking that way I won't be able to enjoy most of the manga/anime/novel out there. Hyouka's take on the issue of differences in talent is a rather rare case.
For real life, I already accepted that life is unfair and some people are just better than me. Actually, a best friend of mine is exactly this case. Thankfully there are so many things to work on in this world that I (probably) can find something for myself to do. |
2012-08-15, 05:09 | Link #96 |
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I'm reminded of the opening like of Grappler Baki. It was something like "everyone who was born a male, once dreams of being the strongest". I guess it leaves out the part where thinking about if for a split second, most of us go "yeah, right".
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2012-08-15, 05:12 | Link #97 | |
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2012-08-18, 01:07 | Link #98 |
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It's just occurred to me that while we can take it as a bittersweet ending, one can look at another angle and realized that this can be viewed as the opposite as well. Namely, Houtarou is someone who had seen the difference in talent for so long that he had given up on achieving anything in his life. In the course of the series he has been slowly coming out of that shell and finally accomplished quite a task in this arc.
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2012-08-18, 09:53 | Link #99 | |
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The Houtarou we saw at the beginning suffered from low self esteem, to the point that he had to resort to self-handicapping to make himself feel better. He would have gone as far as avoiding to exert effort into his endeavors for the sake of protecting his own fragile self esteem from failure. It was clear that he had some sort of inferiority complex going back then, but if so, it would raise the question as to what caused him to turn out that way. Whatever the case, it's still up in the air whether the show decides to address this point of curiosity or not.
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