2013-04-02, 00:43 | Link #23861 |
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Even Kallen was wondering wtf is up with Ougi and Villetta hooking up (like the rest of the fans, I imagine), but hey, as long as they're happy...
Still, I'm happy to see new material translated, especially if it's Kallen-related. And aww, she still misses Lelouch. |
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2013-04-02, 07:11 | Link #23863 | |
thus spoke zarathustra.
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Oh well.
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2013-04-02, 18:24 | Link #23865 |
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Villetta's dream was the career and become very important and rich.
In fact to protect her title of baroness was the first place and well...try to kill Ougi in R2 was the only option to remove a dangerous witness, in a normal situation, love passion or not, without Sayoko presence, Ougi was dead. I think the absurd idea of Ougi new japan first minister was the only way the writer had to justify their union, because Villetta become first lady of japan. If you read the manga version, Ougi never had a contact with Villetta, at last they are just two co-worker at school. |
2013-08-21, 02:47 | Link #23869 |
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So, I've been thinking about it for some time and I still can't get over how great the ending was in my opinnion. I really liked the bittersweetness. And, I feel like had there been some kind of last confrotation or convo it would have been cliched or came off lame. I really have come to appriciate the "titanic" ending for her and all the subtle hints that prove that they really loved each other. It really feels like two lovers were seperated by lack of time and circumstances.
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It might have required breaking some laws of physics, but the story ended the way it was always meant to end. Not many TV series can claim that.
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2013-08-21, 07:34 | Link #23871 |
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Kallen may be a beauty as a character but she made critical mistakes in r1.
1. You seemingly brushed off the fact that the voice not only knew who u were where you lived and how to contact the council. 2. You didn't find it odd that lelouch simply handed you the phone with the voice. 3. You had 3 chances to see zero's face before it was revealed by suzaku but u never took any even after u had a suspect. 4. Zero killed clovis yet why is it that he didn't kill euphy on kamine island in secret and even moreso why was euphy walking so closely with the man who killed her brother without a shred of worry. 5. In the episode black knights you didn't find it odd that zero's entire plan would've fallen apart had he not known that euphy was in the hotel and moreso that cornelia would stop just to protect her. These 5 things should've been red flags to kallen but never really panned out. Her shock wasn't nearly as impressive. |
2013-08-21, 13:39 | Link #23872 |
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What's that line Aizen used to explain how/why he stabbed Hinamori. Something like "adulation is the farthest emotion from reason". Karren was so head over heels for Zero-sama that she refused to recognize any faults in him until it was made so painfully obvious that she couldn't ignore it anymore.
As for why she didn't question the closeness between Zero and Euphy. She had other things on her mind atm. Besides, she could have rationalized it as Zero having converted her into a spy/mole within the royal family. I mean Dietard was Britanian after all. Last edited by S.Freedom; 2013-08-21 at 15:15. |
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2013-08-22, 09:41 | Link #23874 |
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That's too much of a subjective generalization. Karma is an abstract concept, not a force of nature, and it can be inverted or avoided just as often in the real world.
Though that's rather pointless talk in a Kallen thread, considering she did deserve a good ending. Which I'm glad that some people can appreciate without being all doom and gloom. |
2013-08-22, 10:03 | Link #23875 | |
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If everyone got what they deserved, there would be a LOT more dead people. Indeed, the war would have kept going. That's the point; that peace is not compatible with revenge. Kallen was given a new life. A new life that arguably, she didn't earn. No one earned it, because no one wanted peace. Lulu was the one who decided it was time to drop the issue of who needing to punish who.
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2013-08-22, 14:05 | Link #23876 | |
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As for Kallen and the gas canister, she didn't want to use it (she specifically calls it a bloodbath in episode 1). She wanted to get it out of Britannian hands so the latter would have one less weapon. And to say no one's hands were clean entails a bit of false equivalency; some were dirtier than others, while others were cleaner by the converse. The problem in the end was that some of the former had happier endings, and for a few annoying contrivances at that. Relating a little more directly to Kallen, she should have never let the whole thing with Ohgi and Villetta slide. She should have brought up her complicitness with the OSI. |
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a) That she knows as much about this as the viewers. Which is very questionable. Kallen barely knew anything about Villetta to begin with. She didn't really interact with the OSI (including Rolo, for that matter). The comments Kallen made after the first school festival in R2 seem to suggest she considers Villetta a past acquaintance of Ohgi who might have been a collaborator for him during S1. It doesn't seem she knows about her Britannian military record. There's no indication about what information, if any, she could actually bring up about her OSI connections. b) That she cares as much about this as (some of) the viewers or would react the same way. Kallen spent a lot of the season in jail. After getting out, her main concern was Lelouch himself, her relationship to him and what he did or didn't do to the world. It doesn't help that she didn't witness the betrayal herself, so one can't really tell what, if anything, Ohgi might have told Kallen beyond what little we saw both of them talk about. It's entirely possible that she's still mostly in the dark about Villetta's true role in this. What's more, there's also the fact that Ohgi was a close friend of her brother. It's not like Kallen can ignore that. She did question him about how they turned against Zero, but her reaction was a desire to directly talk to Lelouch, hoping that he would explain himself, rather than trying to debate the subject to death. Given her reaction post-Zero Requiem, it's also fair to say that Kallen appreciates what Lelouch did for her and for the world, rather than holding any petty grudge for whatever happened in the past. I don't really think she is in the mood to throw rocks at anyone, literally or figuratively speaking. |
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And unfortunately, Ohgi disrespected her brother's memory by, without telling her about what was going on with the meeting, using her to bait Lelouch into the betrayal and her on gunpoint with him without letting her have any say, especially since she had just been busted from Britannian imprisonment where she was about to be executed. Quote:
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2013-08-22, 18:32 | Link #23879 |
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So what should she do? Compromise the peace Lelouch obtained by throwing a fit to make herself and angry fanboys pissed Lelouch died feel better?
What could she possibly gain from holding a grudge against Ougi and Viletta at that point? What's done is done, and there's no point getting angry at what might have happened otherwise. |
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First, Kallen tried to defend Lelouch and die with him if necessary. Second, she was fooled by his lies and was willing to abandon him once he pushed her away. Third, she was confused by Lelouch's last words and tried to defend him again. Fourth, Kallen expressed her doubts about what Ohgi and the other Black Knights had done, but she still felt conflicted and wished to talk to Lelouch again. Fifth, they talk and there's a kiss but nothing happens. And finally, Lelouch pulls off the Evil Emperor act and she realizes it is necessary to stop him. If Lelouch had been willing to be more forthcoming with her, perhaps Kallen would have calmed down or assumed the attitude you're suggesting. But we can tell her mind was too full of anxiety and uncertainty about Lelouch during a lot of the post-betrayal events, which tends to preclude making a big deal about what you're mentioning, since that requires firmly knowing he is actually right. Quote:
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