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Old 2014-07-28, 14:06   Link #4741
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shinkawa too? O_O
No, his motivation is partially because he wants to be a killer like his brother to prove something to himself and the other "Death Guns", and partially because he's a psycho male yandere for Shino.
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Old 2014-07-28, 15:24   Link #4742
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No, his motivation is partially because he wants to be a killer like his brother to prove something to himself and the other "Death Guns", and partially because he's a psycho male yandere for Shino.
And partially because his life was shit and his big bro was essentially manipulating him into joining them. Or was that just my interpretation?
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Old 2014-07-28, 17:04   Link #4743
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And partially because his life was shit and his big bro was essentially manipulating him into joining them. Or was that just my interpretation?
i didn't see any manipulation here.
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Old 2014-07-28, 17:25   Link #4744
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i didn't see any manipulation here.
I don't know. Kyoji was bullied, burdened with a lot of expectations from his parents and didn't know how to bear with the pressure. I'm pretty sure his first solution for all the problems wouldn't be killing people for real, especially not according to that little speech how he and Shino could go to a better world. His brother, on the other hand... well, some emotional manipulation, as slight as it is, was definitely present right there. Somebody had to convince him to join the plan, no?
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Old 2014-07-28, 18:58   Link #4745
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I don't know. Kyoji was bullied, burdened with a lot of expectations from his parents and didn't know how to bear with the pressure. I'm pretty sure his first solution for all the problems wouldn't be killing people for real, especially not according to that little speech how he and Shino could go to a better world. His brother, on the other hand... well, some emotional manipulation, as slight as it is, was definitely present right there. Somebody had to convince him to join the plan, no?
I don't see Kyoji as someone who need that much convincing. Kyoji wasn't a pawn he was a active participant.
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Old 2014-07-28, 22:53   Link #4746
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I don't see Kyoji as someone who need that much convincing. Kyoji wasn't a pawn he was a active participant.
This. His brother opened the door, but Kyoji jumped through and slammed it shut behind him.
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Old 2014-07-29, 04:44   Link #4747
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Not really. That's just why he hates Kirito and other clearers. It's more that he's a psychopath than anything else. Didn't know what to do with himself after SAO ended.
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DG start killing in GGO because he wants to kill, he is a psychopath.

he went after kirito because of SAO.
Thank you guys for the answers. But I have another one, what was the avatar types said to Kirito at his first divein GGO and what made them rare and unique?
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Old 2014-07-29, 04:46   Link #4748
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This. His brother opened the door, but Kyoji jumped through and slammed it shut behind him.
I guess you're right. Maybe I was just hoping we had at least one pseudo antagonist who isn't a complete and utter psychopath with no real personality other than being EVIL. So far, only Kayaba ever came close to being the exception.
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Old 2014-07-29, 04:56   Link #4749
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I was just hoping we had at least one pseudo antagonist who isn't a complete and utter psychopath with no real personality other than being EVIL..
You're asking way too much from Kawahara. He doesn't know how to write antagonists, or complex characters in general really. He writes what he knows, and he likes it just fine so he'll probably never change. You either get used to it or look somewhere else.
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Old 2014-07-29, 05:22   Link #4750
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You're asking way too much from Kawahara. He doesn't know how to write antagonists, or complex characters in general really. He writes what he knows, and he likes it just fine so he'll probably never change. You either get used to it or look somewhere else.
I'd say Sinon, Eugeo and Yuuki are complex characters, but that's just me. Antagonists, though... you've got a good point.
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Old 2014-07-29, 06:42   Link #4751
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Novel, none(that I know of). The sole(and remaining) translator is focused on the main series after all. Volume 1 of Progressive is only missing Rondo, though Pryun seems to be translating the web version instead of the Progressive version(hint: google Pryun blogspot). Is there a difference between the two?

Manga, behind by two chapters as the group that usually does it did an overhaul of their website and changed their group name. They have a massive backlog so it'll be done when it's done.
3, that is. (which would turn to 4 by tomorrow
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Old 2014-07-29, 07:52   Link #4752
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Thank you guys for the answers. But I have another one, what was the avatar types said to Kirito at his first divein GGO and what made them rare and unique?
It's called <<M9000>>, and it's rare because it's a male avatar with a female appearance.
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Old 2014-07-29, 11:18   Link #4753
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I guess you're right. Maybe I was just hoping we had at least one pseudo antagonist who isn't a complete and utter psychopath with no real personality other than being EVIL. So far, only Kayaba ever came close to being the exception.
He might not be complex but koyji is very real,

Think Adam Lanza, Elliot Rogers and James Holmes.
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Old 2014-07-29, 12:41   Link #4754
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I guess you're right. Maybe I was just hoping we had at least one pseudo antagonist who isn't a complete and utter psychopath with no real personality other than being EVIL. So far, only Kayaba ever came close to being the exception.
As far as antagonists, the Integrity Knights in Alcization did a pretty good job from what I heard.
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Old 2014-07-29, 17:03   Link #4755
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As far as antagonists, the Integrity Knights in Alcization did a pretty good job from what I heard.
Except they're not really antagonists and the Administrator is another run of the mill psychopath. Just a bit more competent at it.
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Old 2014-07-29, 17:04   Link #4756
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As far as antagonists, the Integrity Knights in Alcization did a pretty good job from what I heard.
they are not antagonist, just a puppet for the sexy admin
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Old 2014-07-29, 21:23   Link #4757
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Except they're not really antagonists and the Administrator is another run of the mill psychopath. Just a bit more competent at it.
Antagonist doesn't mean villain, just someone who opposes the protagonist to advance the plot.
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Old 2014-07-30, 04:09   Link #4758
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Antagonist doesn't mean villain, just someone who opposes the protagonist to advance the plot.
They don't do that either, except during their first ever appearances. If you're up to date on volume 14, you might want to check the web novel summaries.
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Old 2014-07-30, 05:38   Link #4759
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They don't do that either, except during their first ever appearances. If you're up to date on volume 14, you might want to check the web novel summaries.
At one point, they did play the role of antagonists, so they're suited to the title regardless of what side they're on later in the series.
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Old 2014-07-30, 06:14   Link #4760
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At one point, they did play the role of antagonists, so they're suited to the title regardless of what side they're on later in the series.
Fair enough, I suppose.
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