Macross Frontier 2nd Movie: Sayonara no Tsubasa

[Thess]

Originally Posted by Dash_Hunter

Yeah

Spoiler for spoiler:

It's Escaflowne all over again just worse because here we apparently don't know what happened to Alto, damn.

Now the question is, Which version of the story will become canon in the Macross universe, the TV series or the movies? right now I would prefer the tv series tbh

Spoiler for canon in my Macross?:

Both are canon. They are alternative retellings. Same with the Manga, by the way. And the light novels (that, TV series wise, ended in a sound threesome).

[moncikoma]

Oh yeah about the song...

how is the song... Is sheryl singing northern cross again?
How about that forbidden elixir... Is it good?

[cheesie]

Originally Posted by Thess

It's what I feared:

Spoiler for Spoilers:

The "winner" got a nasty shaft while the "loser" (both terms used loosely) was unscathed and continued on like in Macross Zero.

Sheryl's in a coma. Alto's MIA.

I read around blogs Ranka comments that if Alto returns, she'll wake up (or so she hopes. Aww, Ranka, you so cute). So it's a bittersweet ending.

Unfortunately for me, I'll rather have Sheryl unscathed than with Alto. Sadly, she didn't lose in love.

Spoiler:

Yes, Thess, but in the end, more than a sugar-happy OTP ending, the couple would no doubt leave a searing imprint on the fans' minds for a very long time - it works for me, because it keeps the door open. It leaves things hanging, with the real possibility that they would be reunited in the end, and most probably, they will. It pretty much says that the story between them is still ongoing even though the franchise is officially over - and during this time, people will talk about it, and will continue to do so. No doubt they'll become one of Macross's most defining flagship points in history.

Like I said, I love it.

[raile]

Originally Posted by cheesie

Spoiler:

Yes, Thess, but in the end, more than a sugar-happy OTP ending, the couple would no doubt leave a searing imprint on the fans' minds for a very long time - it works for me, because it keeps the door open. It leaves things hanging, with the real possibility that they would be reunited in the end, and most probably, they will. It pretty much says that the story between them is still ongoing even though the franchise is officially over - and during this time, no doubt they'll become one of Macross's most defining flagship points in history.

Like I said, I love it.

Spoiler for <3:

In other words, their story transcends the franchise.
There is also the thrill of an unfulfilled promise waiting to be completed.

[Thess]

Originally Posted by cheesie

Spoiler:

Yes, Thess, but in the end, more than a sugar-happy OTP ending, the couple would no doubt leave a searing imprint on the fans' minds for a very long time - it works for me, because it keeps the door open. It leaves things hanging, with the real possibility that they would be reunited in the end, and most probably, they will. It pretty much says that the story between them is still ongoing even though the franchise is officially over - and during this time, people will talk about it, and will continue to do so. No doubt they'll become one of Macross's most defining flagship points in history.

Like I said, I love it.

Spoiler for ending:

The problem is that I like Sheryl Nome more than I like Sheryl/Alto, you know? I like the pairing, don't get me wrong, but not at the expense of her spending a life in coma for the sake of being memorable in a romantic way.

Manga and TV series will probably provide her a happier ending. At least Sheryl's not bedridden there. That's uplifting.

[Foreshadow]

Spoiler for Ending:

I'm torn. It's a really romantic and pretty way to put things, they're lovers that well be united in the end, their love transcends condition or something like that. But I want my lovey dovey moments animated naow!I want to see those two walk around in public as a couple and go on more dates!

So, I suppose in one way it's a good way to leave a legacy, in another it feels lacking. So I want some OAVs or something or at least a little something that will ensure that lovers are united in the end.

Originally Posted by Thess

Spoiler for ending:

Manga and TV series will probably provide her a happier ending. At least Sheryl's not bedridden there. That's uplifting.

Spoiler for Response:

I don't really buy the way they magically healed Sheryl though, It really seems pulled out of nowhere. It's great shes healthy but the way she was healed...

[cheesie]

Originally Posted by raile

Spoiler for <3:

In other words, their story transcends the franchise.

Well...

Spoiler:

To 'transcend the franchise', the spoilers have to be confirmed first before it tries to do something that ambitious.

[raile]

Hope to hear an in-depth summary report soon.

[Westlo]

the bluray/DVD will more than likely have extra scenes imo.... Bittersweet with a sense of hope, I like

[Thess]

Originally Posted by Foreshadow

Spoiler for Ending:

I'm torn. It's a really romantic and pretty way to put things, they're lovers that well be united in the end, their love transcends condition or something like that. But I want my lovey dovey moments animated naow!I want to see those two walk around in public as a couple and go on more dates!

So, I suppose in one way it's a good way to leave a legacy, in another it feels lacking. So I want some OAVs or something or at least a little something that will ensure that lovers are united in the end.

Spoiler for MA. KRU. OSUUU.:

...We never find out about Shin and Sara or about Misa/Hikaru + Minmay's whereabouts. I won't hold my hopes up. Except in another continuity.

Kawamori likes this stuff. So so much.

[Dash_Hunter]

Originally Posted by Thess

Spoiler for canon in my Macross?:

Both are canon. They are alternative retellings. Same with the Manga, by the way. And the light novels (that, TV series wise, ended in a sound threesome).

Well maybe

Spoiler for spoiler:

Canon is not the word I would use, continuity is better.
I know every Macross F version is official and canon in some way but which continuity will they use for the next Macross project?
Like if they make a new series or Ovas and make a reference to frontier or the characters, of course they can avoid that but it would be strange since normally they always mention something.
For example in frontier they talked about Basara, Mao, Minmay, the protodevilns, etc. so in the next project if they mention Sheryl will they say that she is in coma or awake?

I know I'm getting too far ahead thinking about the next Macross when this movie just premiered, but since the 30 anniversary is not that far away, i'm just curious

[Ceci-chan]

I was supposed to be studying, but this thread is way more entertaining~

Spoiler for thoughts on the ending:

Based on spoilers from MelodyMix and here, I find the idea of Alto's disappearance and Sheryl's sleep strangely romantic. I mean, Alto's more than likely gone for good, but the idea that they're still connected in such a way that Ranka has hopes for Sheryl to wake up when Alto returns... it's cute, the three are still connected in some manner (versus the "you both are my wings!" ending of the TV series), and I wouldn't expect something less from Kawamori for this movie.

I like the idea of the bittersweet ending. I think if the triangle were resolved ina cutesy fashion, it wouldn't feel as...well, as satisfying as an ending, I guess? I'm very pleased with the ending so far, based on what I've heard. Whether or not my opinion stays the same when the movie comes out on BD/DVD in a year is a another story.

[cyberdemon]

Originally Posted by Thess

It's what I feared:

Spoiler for Spoilers:

The "winner" got a nasty shaft while the "loser" (both terms used loosely) was unscathed and continued on like in Macross Zero.

Sheryl's in a coma. Alto's MIA.

I read around blogs Ranka comments that if Alto returns, she'll wake up (or so she hopes. Aww, Ranka, you so cute). So it's a bittersweet ending.

Unfortunately for me, I'll rather have Sheryl unscathed than with Alto. Sadly, she didn't lose in love.

well...

Spoiler for ending:

there is always that picture of Sheryl and what we can assume to be a wheel chaired Alto
http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost...&postcount=853

[Foreshadow]

Originally Posted by Thess

Spoiler for MA. KRU. OSUUU.:

...We never find out about Shin and Sara or about Misa/Hikaru + Minmay's whereabouts. I won't hold my hopes up. Except in another continuity.

Kawamori likes this stuff. So so much.

Spoiler for Reponse:

At least we knew they were together... Right now... with the spoilers that are out.. not so much. I suppose they're together in spirit... At least a reuniting scene in there would be nice. Those are my favorite types of scenes... after the credits or something?

Hopefully I'm speaking too soon

[magnuskn]

Originally Posted by Tak

That is indeed

Spoiler for Moew:

The princess

- Tak

Damn, my Klan prediction turned out to be wrong. Or maybe Sheryl was wearing Klans scalp as a trophy?


Anyhoo... as to the spoilers, that is why I am happy that the story of the second movie veered off so decisively from the series. Or did it? At the moment it seems everybody is focusing on the end of the triangle alone, but nobody is even talking about what actually happened in the movie. In any case, differend continuities, different endings, different destinies for our heroes. Let's see what is canon in the next Macross series.

But while I am happy for a resolution of the triangle in the movie, I think we can now safely say that, yes, Kawamori is a troll. Unless Yot-Chan comes here and sets us right and all the spoilers about

Spoiler for movie spoiler:

Alto being MIA and Sheryl in a coma

were just other trolls by fans. In which case I'll take this latest accusation back, of course.

Can we now finally get an OVA for the TV series with a proper resolution, pretty please? Without a bittersweet cherry on top?

[cheesie]

Spoiler for That Scene:

Yot-Chan, you could confirm whether this is true or not.

In the meantime, from Krespy's spoiler (unverified) Thanks Natsu!

Apparently, Alto was attacking the Queen Vajra with the Frontier Fleet, but it seems he couldn't escape from the attack barrage from Frontier. After that, Alto's fleet dispersed/exploded on the palm of the Queen Vajra's hand, and at that moment, Alto confessed to Sheryl...

...and it seems to have played a role in Sheryl's coma? (This is totally unverified, Yot-Chan have to confirm this.)

[darkplataform]

@cyberdemon: That scene is in the first hour of the movie

Spoiler for ...:

And yes, its Alto in the wheelchair but for a different reason.

What i found its not Alto dying but be gone with Vajra queen while she is going Fold.
He should be alive somewhere in the space and will be back someday. If its never mentioned again, there are 3 more continuities for these two to have their happiness

[Thess]

Originally Posted by Dash_Hunter

Well maybe

Spoiler for spoiler:

Canon is not the word I would use, continuity is better.
I know every Macross F version is official and canon in some way but which continuity will they use for the next Macross project?
Like if they make a new series or Ovas and make a reference to frontier or the characters, of course they can avoid that but it would be strange since normally they always mention something.
For example in frontier they talked about Basara, Mao, Minmay, the protodevilns, etc. so in the next project if they mention Sheryl will they say that she is in coma or awake?

I know I'm getting too far ahead thinking about the next Macross when this movie just premiered, but since the 30 anniversary is not that far away, i'm just curious

Spoiler for About that:

...Macross tends to 'mix' stuff. Like Flash Back (which is what we last seen of the original triangle) takes both continuities together (basically because DYRL Minmay I assume). Same with the Nyan Nyan clip.

Kawamori changes his stance from all are "fictional takes" of what happened or or are "alternative continuities and canon on their own" tune. So... I wouldn't worry about it? Stick with your preferred version.

Originally Posted by Foreshadow

Spoiler for Reponse:

At least we knew they were together... Right now... with the spoilers that are out.. not so much. I suppose they're together in spirit... At least a reuniting scene in there would be nice. Those are my favorite types of scenes... after the credits or something?

Spoiler for Connection:

This is why I ask about the earrings. Alto accidentally got in Sheryl's head thanks to it. Do we know if they are wearing it in their last (conscious) moments?

It's possible that Ranka senses this, via the third-party connection with them.

I feel very bad on her behalf. She lost her best friend (crush or not, that's what Alto is in absence of Nanase) and she lost her other potential best friend. I feel a bit of sadness the three of them are in separated paths. Even if Ranka hopes to see Alto back and Sheryl awake. The dynamics between the three (romantic or platonic) in the first movie was so strong. The way the three worked together in sync, helping and all was very, very well done.

It's like the opposite of Minmay, Misa+Hikaru, who grew closer together after the series apparently, then left together and disappeared. Now these three who worked together and are torn apart for some circumstances. Still, there's a lingering hope.

I complain about Kawamori, but I understand why he gave us this ending. It's touching.

[Aragaki]

Joined to post here, and this is my first post. I hope that it's okay...
By the way, I love reading all the discussions! <3

Spoiler for ending:

I found a blog and was skimming through comments and trying to make sense of what I could read. (I'm pretty sure the people commenting have watched the film, otherwise...) Also, I'm still learning Japanese, but I think I can at least give vague translations.

So, the confession.

Someone asked:
なんつってアルトは告白した？
What was Alto's confession?

In reply:
"ランカちゃんが最終決戦前にアルトさんに告白してるという前置きがあり
二人を振り返りながら

「ランカ、ありがとう。でもお前の気持ちには答えられない。」
「シェリル、俺はお前のことを愛…」ちゅドーン"

Before the final battle, there is the pretext that Ranka-chan confessed to Alto.
Looking back on the two (Sheryl and Ranka).

"Ranka, thank you. But I can't answer your feelings."
"Sheryl, I (towards you) love..." Interruption (?)

[I don't know what ちゅドーン means exactly, but from reading the other spoilers, Alto probably disappeared at that moment.]

~~

Whether he said those phrases one after another is not clear.
Whether these are his exact words is not confirmed.
Just to note... ^^;

source: http://yaraon.blog109.fc2.com/blog-entry-943.html

Sorry, this really isn't much, but I was excited when I read this, so I thought I should share. ^^;

[magnuskn]

Originally Posted by Thess

Spoiler:

I complain about Kawamori, but I understand why he gave us this ending. It's touching.

Spoiler for spoilers:

No, it's not. It's just cruelty to the audience and the characters, if what I just read a few posts above is true. I mean, really, oooooh, Alto confessed to Sheryl and then the two are ripped apart immediately. Is there a more cliched tragic resolution possible? Oh, and in the deal we also get the friendship between the three mains ripped apart, because one is gone to a place unknown, one is in a coma and the other one is left alone. Wow, such a touching ending.

Goddammit, Kawamori. Goddammit typical anime tragic ending.

At least this tripe isn't in the same continuity as the TV series.