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Old 2018-05-19, 18:03   Link #221
Irenesharda
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What's the point of tricking people if you can't rub it in their faces that you're smarter than they are?
True, but if you're going to be so smart, be smart enough to finish the act without a hitch.

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Right now she is officially missing.
Sigh, I really wish they would just say she was outright dead then put it as just "missing". Can't we have at least one person die in the series who is not in a flashback? It just feels like they keep cutting out the legs from real stakes in the series sometimes. I mean, first, Tensai, and now Ragdoll. I just don't like that they pull their punches at times like these.

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Far from supporting Midoriya, I suspect his Mum will want him to withdraw from the school.
Shonen and anime, in general, give the idea that parents aren't really that involved with their children's lives especially when it comes to teens. And while I will agree that Japanese teens, in general, are more independent than their American counterparts, from my own observations, parents are still quite involved with their kids' lives and are still very much involved in keeping them safe. While some kids who were my students went home at night on their own, the majority of them were picked up in a car by their parents or were walked home by them.

In real life, I think you would be very right in that even without Izuku's say so, his mother would very well withdraw him from such a school.
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Old 2018-05-20, 01:13   Link #222
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Can't really blame the parents, UA took a heavy hit this time around. Even if the villains want to impact the entire superhero society, they trampled on UA's reputation - who would want to let their kids go to a school that is actively being targeted by villains who can get past the assigned heroes?
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Old 2018-05-21, 07:43   Link #223
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Even when reading this scene in the manga, I sort of felt like Kirishima was projecting a lot of his own frustration onto Deku while trying to get him on board.
Because he knows that if someone is willing to do it, it's Deku. He also knows that Deku is good at coming up with strategies and tactics. Effectively, he's one of the leaders in his class and if he moves, others might as well. It's scummy that he's doing this, but I can see why he'd target Deku instead of Ilda or Momo.

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You know what?
  1. What do you mean, "What a twist!"? The fact that they were going to succeed in kidnapping Bakago was telegraphed from the very start! I'm kind of disappointed that MORE students weren't kidnapped or killed as well.
  2. WHAT THE ACTUAL HECK, COMPRESS!!
I mean, I saw the switcharoo coming, but come on! All you had to do was shut your big mouth and move your butt and you and the rest of the Vanguard Squad could have gotten away scott free with the whole kit and caboodle! I was really respecting you and everything and then you had to do something stupid like that.

Anyway, the backlash against UA was inevitable. Their plan wasn't very smart from the beginning.
Although the number of people with quirks is growing, the number of people with quirks suitable for (heroic) work is small. Even amongst heroes, only a few individuals seem to have really strong quirks. Not to mention that it's only natural that the LoV goes after children, recruiting strong quirks will make their organization grow. But since there's a limit to the amount of strong quirks that can be found on the fringes of society, tempting children from heroic schools before they've formed a strong sense of heroism, seems a sound plan.

The only problem for the villains is that only a very small part of the children from 1A and B have potential. This is mostly class A, because they're the ones with stronger quirks and they're more adept at combat. During this attack, it's mostly class A students making the important moves. But therein lies another problem for the villains: amongst the kids in class A, only a subset of people really stick out in terms of power and ability. Most kids, though they have been through combat situations, are at the cusp of really giving a general direction towards how they should use their powers. This is not the same for that small group of class A students. But the villains aren't stupid: they also know that the stronger the quirk, the bigger the likelihood of the kid being from a heroic family (Iida, Todoroki), or being monitored/directly mentored by a hero (Deku). Guys like Bakugo, who are the first in their household to have a particularly strong quirk, are rare. So the villains specifically target kids with typical villain powers and kids who could be easily swayed to the villain side for a number of reasons. Bakugo fits the bill for both.

I've been thinking about the case of Stain, and it has come to my attention that UA doesn't do any follow up on it's dropouts. If they did, they could easily track who is on the verge of becoming a villain or not.

I doubt much blame can be put on Compress. Aoyama being there was quite a surprise to everyone, and he felt like he outwitted a bunch of kids.

I don't think that UA had a lot of cards to play. Similarly to the sports festival, bowing out would also bring backlash. They're between a rock and a hard place.

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Quite right, but it is shonen. It is amazing when both sides of a debate have such strong and developed emotional convictions; and in shonen those can really be all you need. I've been complaining to other Herorise fans how lawful and Japanese class 1A are, but I may soon have to eat my words.


Far from supporting Midoriya, I suspect his Mum will want him to withdraw from the school.
Being lawful does fit with Japanese stereotypes. I think that American hero schools would be either very militarized or rife with cases of power abuse.

I think his mum will want that, but it might already be too late. Deku is now a known face for the craziest villains. And if that Stain wannabe is anything to go by, the League of Villains aren't the only ones who know Deku one way or the other.

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Shonen and anime, in general, give the idea that parents aren't really that involved with their children's lives especially when it comes to teens. And while I will agree that Japanese teens, in general, are more independent than their American counterparts, from my own observations, parents are still quite involved with their kids' lives and are still very much involved in keeping them safe. While some kids who were my students went home at night on their own, the majority of them were picked up in a car by their parents or were walked home by them.

In real life, I think you would be very right in that even without Izuku's say so, his mother would very well withdraw him from such a school.
Isn't it more so because writers deem that the presence of (concerned) parents stands in the way of children venturing into the world? In Pokemon, for instance, you'd never have 10 year olds traveling continents without adult supervision if it were up to our world's standards.
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Old 2018-05-22, 01:31   Link #224
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With the talk last episode of a traitor, there must alternatively be mind reading quirks around. There might also be ways to block mind reading?
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Old 2018-05-22, 02:01   Link #225
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While I agree that they really should leave this up to the pros. There is also an opportunity.

I mean they could show the world that UA trains its students well.



Also, I cried at the scene with Deku's mother. That one really hit me where it hurts.
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Old 2018-05-22, 06:18   Link #226
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With the talk last episode of a traitor, there must alternatively be mind reading quirks around. There might also be ways to block mind reading?
Depends on the nature of the quirk. if it's an imperfect quirk it might be tied to some activation clauses and other requirements. Think Uraraka's quirk: she has to activate her quirk. I saw this series where triplets


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While I agree that they really should leave this up to the pros. There is also an opportunity.

I mean they could show the world that UA trains its students well.



Also, I cried at the scene with Deku's mother. That one really hit me where it hurts.
I'm afraid even that might cause backlash. They could wonder why they let children run around using their quirks unsupervised. They could also say that they're not teaching kids to use their quirks properly, and that they're teaching the kids that might makes right. There's a bunch of ways they can twist this into UA being incompetent.


The most painful part is Deku's mother leaving a note. That kind of stuff just brings shivers.
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Old 2018-05-22, 14:54   Link #227
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Compress not shutting his mouth is kind of on him. He said it himself, he's an entertainer. It's probably something like how the Riddler couldn't not leave clues to point out he was responsible for a crime. If he'd kept quiet then they wouldn't know what happened to Bakugo and Tokoyami at all, but that's part of the Villain Alliance's theme in how, as Compress pitched, they don't place a lot of restraints on the values of their members.

As for his mother leaving a note, from how Izuku put it he was phasing in and out of consciousness and she probably had to watch several times with the convulsions and everything. It's probably a nightmare for her to constantly see him getting hurt or nearly being killed by villains. It's the fourth time in 3 seasons.
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Old 2018-05-22, 17:18   Link #228
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Deku and his mother should have known from day one that in the career he wanted his life was going to be put in danger constantly sooner or later. It is basically like joining either the police force or the armed forces, you are trained to go into danger instead of running away from it like everyone else (that's basically what makes the people doing these kinds of dangerous jobs different from the rest of the populace), complaining about it now is not only asinine, but makes no sense.

Maybe next time the parents should do more research before letting their kids enter into a school that clearly prepares them for combat situations. So no, I don't feel sorry for anyone.
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Old 2018-05-22, 23:05   Link #229
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Deku and his mother should have known from day one that in the career he wanted his life was going to be put in danger constantly sooner or later. It is basically like joining either the police force or the armed forces, you are trained to go into danger instead of running away from it like everyone else (that's basically what makes the people doing these kinds of dangerous jobs different from the rest of the populace), complaining about it now is not only asinine, but makes no sense.

Maybe next time the parents should do more research before letting their kids enter into a school that clearly prepares them for combat situations. So no, I don't feel sorry for anyone.
What has happened to Class A is unprecedented. Sure, Hero work is tough and dangerous, but studying to be a Hero not so much. Villains were not suppose to be targeting students.

Hell, the League of Villains itself only make its "debut" during the USJ arc, and the Pros have often commented that villains have never acted in such a bold and organized matter since All Might became the symbol of peace.

This is just like the Harry Potter series. Harry's hectic, death-defying school years were not common among the other students in Hogwarts.
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Old 2018-05-23, 00:59   Link #230
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You can't really blame Deku's mother for being traumatized by all this. There's a difference between signing up for the police force or military and then being caught up in a terrorist attack in the first year of training. Not to mention that Deku's quirk is quite painful and self-destructive (until he finally got it under control). Most of the instances when she's seen Deku in action was at the sports festival, where he was literally breaking his own bones for his attacks. And that was all after Deku turned out to be a "late bloomer" as she didn't expect him to become a superhero until then (which was probably only a year or two earlier).

And yeah, until the USJ attack, it seemed like peacetime thanks to All Might doing such a good job and being so iconic. Unfortunately as they've now realized, he didn't quite finish off the big bad. The recent biggest problem for the heroes has been UA's weakening credibility as they're supposed to guarantee the students' safety (they're not even supposed to use their quirks to attack except as a last resort), which is just what the villains planned.

Aside from all that, most parents would react like that to seeing their child in such a sad state. I do wish Deku would pay more attention to her, but then he's always been hero obsessed (which is both a strength and a weakness in some ways).
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Old 2018-05-23, 06:01   Link #231
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Deku has no choice but to continue worrying his mother. I really do feel sorry for her, but this is the only path Deku can even walk. Still I empathize strongly with her, and thinking about her still makes me cry.
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