Kyoukai Senjou no Horizon - Light Novel Discussion

[endarion88]

what's the meaning of that text that is making everyone jealous?

[Suiri Megami Alice]

I just want to bring this topic up: It's from Zeroblade's FAQ corner.

How can Ulquiaga be training to be an Inquisitor, attack Galileo on sight, calling him a heretic, but at the same time be fighting for the Far East where making contracts with pagan gods is the norm?

I think Ukky said something that he cannot join the battle in Horizon liberation.

「もしこの後にホライゾンを救うことになったとしても、拙僧は動けんのだ。なにしろ拙僧、異端審問官志望で はあるが、K.P.A.Italiaもトレスエスパニアも旧派であって異端ではないからな。節操はそのどち らとも戦うことが出来ん。」 - p242, 1B.

He says the reason why he can't fight is because K.P.A.Italia and Tres Espana aren't heretics. Conversely, he can fight someone if they are heretics -> Galileo. He's a heretic after his discovery of Heliocentrism that refutes the word in the bible stating that the Earth is the center of the universe.

Also he mentioned something like his weapons are only reserved for heretics back in Episode 1.

Were Margot and Malga considered heretics? But if they were, Ulquiaga and the two les seemed to be in good terms just as the rest of the class. There was a mention in the novel that at first, back in their elementary days, there were much of a discord in the class (they were all in the same class since when they were small). But most of those conflicts were resolved when they reached Middle school. I wonder if these resolution also include Marga, Margot and Ulquiaga.

And why do Ukky aspires to become an inquisitor officer? I think there is an explanation in volume 1 but don't have time to search for it. (I'm scared to go to japanese wiki as I might learn too much)

[Chaos2Frozen]

Originally Posted by endarion88

what's the meaning of that text that is making everyone jealous?

I'm not sure, but I spied the words "Uki", "Naked" and "Proposed" in there...

[kemal_1915]

Originally Posted by endarion88

what's the meaning of that text that is making everyone jealous?

Spoiler for Go to hell Ulquiaga!:

Ulquiaga broke Date's (a girl) all four prosthetic limbs and striped her naked then proposed to her

[Cosmic Eagle]

I always wonder how Shigezane and him were to actually....make love seeing that he's well a.....draconoid aircraft....


It'd be like having sex with an F-15....

[Zeroblade]

Originally Posted by animeruri

I just want to bring this topic up: It's from Zeroblade's FAQ corner.

(lol)

I think Ukky said something that he cannot join the battle in Horizon liberation.

「もしこの後にホライゾンを救うことになったとしても、拙僧は動けんのだ。なにしろ拙僧、異端審問官志望で はあるが、K.P.A.Italiaもトレスエスパニアも旧派であって異端ではないからな。節操はそのどち らとも戦うことが出来ん。」 - p242, 1B.

He says the reason why he can't fight is because K.P.A.Italia and Tres Espana aren't heretics. Conversely, he can fight someone if they are heretics -> Galileo. He's a heretic after his discovery of Heliocentrism that refutes the word in the bible stating that the Earth is the center of the universe.

Also he mentioned something like his weapons are only reserved for heretics back in Episode 1.

Were Margot and Malga considered heretics? But if they were, Ulquiaga and the two les seemed to be in good terms just as the rest of the class. There was a mention in the novel that at first, back in their elementary days, there were much of a discord in the class (they were all in the same class since when they were small). But most of those conflicts were resolved when they reached Middle school. I wonder if these resolution also include Marga, Margot and Ulquiaga.

And why do Ukky aspires to become an inquisitor officer? I think there is an explanation in volume 1 but don't have time to search for it. (I'm scared to go to japanese wiki as I might learn too much)

Oh, thanks much for the info; I'll update accordingly. Skipped most of 1A and 1B (started at 1B, ch. 35) to follow the anime because my pace is like 40~60 pages a week orz.

As for why, I think his family had a heritage of being inquisition officers back before they moved to the Musashi, and his parents started doing antique furniture for a living?

[Kunagisa]

Originally Posted by cosmic eagle

it'd be like having sex with an f-15....

That sounds like the most amazing experience ever. No joke.

[Icy.Tear]

Originally Posted by Zeroblade

As for why, I think his family had a heritage of being inquisition officers back before they moved to the Musashi, and his parents started doing antique furniture for a living?

Bedclothes. (And some custom-made beds.)

Ulquiaga's family is of the lineage of the Tres Espana inquisitors. Locally, it was well established, but because of over-hunting, they were no longer able to support themselves. Now, his parents are making and selling bedclothes at the third underground floor of Oume, but custom-made beds had become part of his family's skills, and had become popular amongst a portion of people. The type of people who say: "The restraints are good when they're tight."

[Kunagisa]

Originally Posted by Icy.Tear

Highlighting keypoint here. If you're thinking something , you're probably right.

[Cosmic Eagle]

Originally Posted by stuopidget

That sounds like the most amazing experience ever. No joke.

I know rite....

Doesn't the roar of the engines just turn you on....

Ok screw it...I now totally see where Shigezane is coming from...nice going you two....Musashi style diplomacy always win as usual....

[Suiri Megami Alice]

Originally Posted by Zeroblade

As for why, I think his family had a heritage of being inquisition officers back before they moved to the Musashi, and his parents started doing antique furniture for a living?

Originally Posted by Icy.Tear

Bedclothes. (And some custom-made beds.)

Thanks for the infos. I finally had gone through the prologue again, and I think I got the answer to some of the questions I had.

It also answered why Ulquiaga condones Far East people despite being pagans. It seems pagans =/= heretics to him as stated in his monologue in p58 of 1A.

異端と異教は違う。異端とは、旧派と同じTsirch教譜でありながら、Tsirch教譜の教えを歪めて伝 える、もはや更生出来ない者のこと。対する異教は、Tsirch教譜ではない別の教譜であるが、それゆえに 、真の教えを知れば、更正出来るかもしれない者達。

According to him, the heretics are beyond salvation upon distorting the teachings of Tsirch, while pagans, albeit a different faith than Tsirch, might be saved if they learn the true teachings that is of Tsirch religion.

Originally Posted by stuopidget

Highlighting keypoint here. If you're thinking something , you're probably right.

Does that refer to Toori since he was seen swaddled in bedsheet a lot of times? Or those dakimakura peeps?

[Icy.Tear]

No, just that his parents make beds for ドM.

[Suiri Megami Alice]

Originally Posted by Icy.Tear

No, just that his parents make beds for ドM.

Oh lol, I see now. XD

[Marcus H.]

Is it possible that the K.P.A. in K.P.A. Italia is "Kingdom of Sardinia, Pisa and Arborea"?
Random speculah.

[Cosmic Eagle]

So what does the P.A in P.A Oda mean?

[Marcus H.]

I have no idea.

[Kanamechan]

Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

I feel bad for the Musashi girls, all their good (formerly) available men have been taken by foreigners... It's like Toori's pimping them out or something to build diplomatic relations

I doubt they mind, the yuri is strong in this class

Ulquiaga's family is of the lineage of the Tres Espana inquisitors. Locally, it was well established, but because of over-hunting, they were no longer able to support themselves. Now, his parents are making and selling bedclothes at the third underground floor of Oume, but custom-made beds had become part of his family's skills, and had become popular amongst a portion of people. The type of people who say: "The restraints are good when they're tight."

LOL! Guess his family really is popular in certain circles...
I wonder if Gin bought one of those for her husband ^^

[Marcus H.]

Looks like there are more WMDs than the Logismoi Oplo and the Testamenta Arma: the Murasai's Dedicated Armaments of the Five Great Crowns (Godaicho Senyou Busou), and one of them is named Israfel, the fourth of the five, owned by Toshiie Maeda.

The Israfel grants healing capabilities and can strengthen necromantic abilities. It's special ability is the Kaga Milliongeist, which can summon an army of one million spirits.

Also, the Jizurisuzaku is only one of four Gods of War which are patterned to the Four Symbols: there's also Michiyukibyakko, controlled by Era Fusahide.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Originally Posted by Marcus H.

Also, the Jizurisuzaku is only one of four Gods of War which are patterned to the Four Symbols: there's also Michiyukibyakko, controlled by Era Fusahide.

I was expecting this; you don't name something Jizurisuzaku without the possibility of include the three other holy beasts.

[Marcus H.]

Well, until this new discovery I assumed that Naomasa made up the name herself.

Hmm, seeing my contributions to terminology in the project page of Horizon makes me wonder if I should register and personally submit them. This new world of Horizon is intriguing me so much.