GATE - Light Novel Discussion

[MrTerrorist]

Chapter is finally out on alphapolis website.

[John117xCortana]

I might be seeing it wrong or did Itami just knocked a tooth out with that punch?

[cleed]

Where did they get a Japanese woman from? Was it from the first raid?

[Kamui04]

Originally Posted by cleed

Where did they get a Japanese woman from? Was it from the first raid?

Here's your answer

Originally Posted by aohige

No guys, Noriko was kidnapped by recons prior to the invasion.
Dunno how that worked out, perhaps a smaller gate was opened beforehand, but there were scouts who went out to Japan and they brought back some civilians off the streets.

go back a couple pages, there's spoilers discussion about that.

[Top Sergeant]

Originally Posted by John117xCortana

I'm I seeing it wrong or did Itami just knocked a tooth out with that punch?

I certainly hope so!

[black_cat1]

Ok, now wait for the coup d'état

[Dark Wing]

Originally Posted by jerys

Can someone give me spoiler what will happen next chapter?
I really want to know!!

Well of course you know this means war.

[Lutz2]

Originally Posted by jerys

Can someone give me spoiler what will happen next chapter?
I really want to know!!

Spoiler for 34:

A friend of me told me about this, so i am not so sure if this is correct: Itami tells Kuribayashi to punsh the prince, well she punch him pretty hard and breaks even his fingers! Itami tells them to give all the slaves that the Empire has made from Japan back or the Empire will face the Wrath of Japan. Of course Princess Pina, the Emperor and the stupid Prince don´t know why they so pissed of because of this low society Girl. That is all that i know.

O yeah sorry for my bad English .

[MrTerrorist]

Originally Posted by Lutz2

Spoiler for 34:

A friend of me told me about this, so i am not so sure if this is correct: Itami tells Kuribayashi to punsh the prince, well she punch him pretty hard and breaks even his fingers! Itami tells them to give all the slaves that the Empire has made from Japan back or the Empire will face the Wrath of Japan. Of course Princess Pina, the Emperor and the stupid Prince don´t know why they so pissed of because of this low society Girl. That is all that i know.

O yeah sorry for my bad English .

Oh yes, Values Dissonance.

Possibly because the Empire doesn't have civil and human rights like on Earth, they see having slaves as normal.

[LystAP]

Originally Posted by MrTerrorist

Oh yes, Values Dissonance.

Possibly because the Empire doesn't have civil and human rights like on Earth, they see having slaves as normal.

Well, technically in some places here its still prevalent, unfortunately. However, it's not that overt as it used to be. Regardless, after seeing the state of the empire, the general treatment of slaves, and in particular how they treated a "citizen" of their native country, the reactions of the delegation is understandable. Although even in the extreme context of diplomacy, your not supposed to go actively beating up a representative of a opposing country in front of everyone (you politely send a cruise missile and spec ops team during the night). However, I guess the power differential is great enough here that they frankly do not care.

[ZeKeR]

Originally Posted by LystAP

Well, technically in some places here its still prevalent, unfortunately. However, it's not that overt as it used to be. Regardless, after seeing the state of the empire, the general treatment of slaves, and in particular how they treated a "citizen" of their native country, the reactions of the delegation is understandable. Although even in the extreme context of diplomacy, your not supposed to go actively beating up a representative of a opposing country in front of everyone (you politely send a cruise missile and spec ops team during the night). However, I guess the power differential is great enough here that they frankly do not care.

at most, a team of elites should suffice in most black ops much like what China, Russia and the US tried to do but faced JSDF spec ops. sending a cruise missile without prior warning will incite retaliation... and gives us all a literal assraping.

well... in a sense, in diplomacy even if its quite... well... unstable, normally you shouldn't do squat, right?

I remembered in WWII of the Big Three was planning to meet somewhere but couldnt resulting in Stalin raging hard.

[LystAP]

Originally Posted by ZeKeR

at most, a team of elites should suffice in most black ops much like what China, Russia and the US tried to do but faced JSDF spec ops. sending a cruise missile without prior warning will incite retaliation... and gives us all a literal assraping.

well... in a sense, in diplomacy even if its quite... well... unstable, normally you shouldn't do squat, right?

I remembered in WWII of the Big Three was planning to meet somewhere but couldnt resulting in Stalin raging hard.

In truth, I had no idea what the countries in this story are thinking. China and Russia are being way too passive-aggressive, and the US isn't exerting as much power as it should be, nor did it look like the US was fulfilling certain diplomatic obligations necessitated under treaty (as the Empire attacked Japan, it would have been the obligation of United States Forces Japan to counterattack along with the JSDF; even during the height of the Iraq War, we still had substantial forces based within Japan, to both fulfill this obligation and to exert geopolitical power in Asia).

[Breimoon]

as much as we know they could have helped until the enemies were pushed back in their territory. At that moment they lost jurisdiction since Japan refused more help to make sure others don't start a war over this world's resources.

[Fwarlord]

Originally Posted by Breimoon

as much as we know they could have helped until the enemies were pushed back in their territory. At that moment they lost jurisdiction since Japan refused more help to make sure others don't start a war over this world's resources.

But that's just silly, with all those rich and resources behind the gate, each and every power will find one way or another to go to the other side of the gate, be it official or unofficial, or how retard the reasons are. The author must be a national extremist to ignore that point.

[aohige]

Author must be a national extremist to NOT show other nations forcing their way through Japan!


..... what twisted Möbius of logic is this.

[Top Sergeant]

Without Japanese cooperation it would be extremely difficult for any modern nation to get land or air forces through the Gate. China and Russia can't project enough land power across the sea. India has a large enough army, but again no way to get enough of it to Japan. The USA has the logistical capability, but the closest basing for support is the garrison in South Korea, and a build up there would drive North Korea nuts. The US would have to mobilize the entire Army National Guard to have enough ground troops to secure South Korea and to get through the JSDF to give the attack even a chance of success, and that, without a demonstrated threat to the nation, would be politically impossible.

[LystAP]

Originally Posted by Top Sergeant

Without Japanese cooperation it would be extremely difficult for any modern nation to get land or air forces through the Gate. China and Russia can't project enough land power across the sea. India has a large enough army, but again no way to get enough of it to Japan. The USA has the logistical capability, but the closest basing for support is the garrison in South Korea, and a build up there would drive North Korea nuts. The US would have to mobilize the entire Army National Guard to have enough ground troops to secure South Korea and to get through the JSDF to give the attack even a chance of success, and that, without a demonstrated threat to the nation, would be politically impossible.

The United States actually has entire military bases in mainland Japan under the jurisdiction of United States Forces Japan; the Japanese government even actually helps pay for the upkeep. Yokosuka, Misawa Air Base and Kadena Air Base; while we have a presence in South Korea, it isn't as "permanent" as our presence in Japan.

There's a whole list of American bases on their Wikipedia page.

There's a reason why Japan can keep calling its' armed forces a Self-Defense Force, the United States is supposed to supplement Japan's inability to project with US capability. Without those American bases and military installations, there would be probably (and perhaps necessarily) be a official Japanese Army and Navy again.

[Top Sergeant]

Originally Posted by LystAP

The United States actually has entire military bases in mainland Japan under the jurisdiction of United States Forces Japan; the Japanese government even actually helps pay for the upkeep. Yokosuka, Misawa Air Base and Kadena Air Base; while we have a presence in South Korea, it isn't as "permanent" as our presence in Japan.

There's a whole list of American bases on their Wikipedia page.

There's a reason why Japan can keep calling its' armed forces a Self-Defense Force, the United States is supposed to supplement Japan's inability to project with US capability. Without those American bases and military installations, there would be probably (and perhaps necessarily) be a official Japanese Army and Navy again.

The majority of those forces are on Okinawa, not mainland Japan. That's the 3rd Marine Expeditionary Force headquarters.

The only Army base of which I'm aware is Camp Zama, and that's run by the US Army Reserve, and there are no Army combat formations there. The closest are in Korea.

The Navy and Air Force also lease bases in Japan, but that can hardly be considered ground power. The Headquarters of 7th Fleet would be at the mercy of the Japanese police, no need for the military to seize it.

Taking on the JDSF on their home turf would be a HUGE undertaking for the US military. Attempting to achieve air superiority would be very difficult in and of itself, not to mention the massive logistical train required to support and supply the sea, air and land forces involved.

[Breimoon]

For the guys suggesting about America attacking japan, don't forget that Russia, China, North Korea will not just watch things going and as soon as they see the chance (probably when one of the two has lost enough troops) they get in the game too.

[LystAP]

Originally Posted by Top Sergeant

The majority of those forces are on Okinawa, not mainland Japan. That's the 3rd Marine Expeditionary Force headquarters.

The only Army base of which I'm aware is Camp Zama, and that's run by the US Army Reserve, and there are no Army combat formations there. The closest are in Korea.

The Navy and Air Force also lease bases in Japan, but that can hardly be considered ground power. The Headquarters of 7th Fleet would be at the mercy of the Japanese police, no need for the military to seize it.

Taking on the JDSF on their home turf would be a HUGE undertaking for the US military. Attempting to achieve air superiority would be very difficult in and of itself, not to mention the massive logistical train required to support and supply the sea, air and land forces involved.

I'm not inferring that the United States is going to attack Japan; I have just been noting that in reality, the JSDF wouldn't have been the only ones that went through the gate. Under existing treaty, nothing would have stopped the United States from deploying along side with the JSDF in the initial incursion through the gate, back when they were unsure what was really on the other side, nor would it have stop the US from establishing at least a minor observation force along side the JSDF expeditionary force.

Even afterwards, there is plenty of precedence for the United States to deploy across the gate without resorting to overt coercion, even if Japan wanted to keep the land across the gate to itself. Right now, Japan is using her treaty with the United States to get the US fleet to interfere in their island debacle with China; such things could go both ways. However, the author is admittedly and understandably rather Japancentric; such things would be a lot more complex in reality.