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In terms of the adaptations I'm familiar with: Xebec: The mass Pactio in the final episode taints the actual Pactios that Nodoka, Setsuna, and Konoka were supposed to receive earlier in the story (not to mention a number of Pactio abilities were guesswork, as only about half the Pactio cards designs were already made by the time the Xebec anime aired, and the only one's whose abilities were actually shown in the manga around the time of the anime were Asuna and Nodoka's). SHAFT: Having everyone learn about Negi's secret halfway through the series lead to a huge drop of quality in the second half, as the story (and the characters the fans cared about, especially Nodoka) were pushed to the back in favor of giving all the students screen time in every episode. Quote:
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2017-12-18, 17:39 | Link #262 |
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By this point, one should have known better to just keep the brain shut-down.
But, HECK, why waste time this episode in original stuff, and with all 3-A girls, of all characters?! Dear goodness!!! And, despite having avoided it like the plague, I kinda noticed Asuna's dress was that original Movie Finale. Why? Just why? In the end, speedy pacing, made worse by inserting stuff from Negima that I seriously wonder WHY THE F**KING HECK was it needed for. Well, unfortunately, I'll have to resign myself (once again) to forget an Anime Adaptation ever existed and stick to the source material. |
2017-12-18, 20:07 | Link #264 |
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I am not against the idea of gathering all 31 girls for a final battle, with each getting an awesome moment against the final enemy. As a matter of fact, I believe it's a brilliant idea.
BUT. It must feel like the characters have earned it first. It must be the payoff to a very carefully set buildup through a very long time, after developing each girl into truly capable partners through a long, rich story. It's the kind of story you could pull off in a very long and epic manga or even anime, although it'll take a lot of talent, effort and dedication, but it's not really the sort of thing you can hammer down at the tail end of 12 or even 26 episodes of anything. You literally have more characters than episodes left to develop them, f'r Pete's sake. Something like the Justice League Unlimited animated series made it work, with each superhero getting a fairly cool moment or two in a major climax... which was literally the payoff to years of cartoons set in the same universe starring Batman, Superman, and then the rest of the Justice League, through epic stories fleshing most characters out and even giving secondaries things to do and moments to shine before throwing them all together for the finale. |
2017-12-19, 01:56 | Link #265 |
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Man, this was a very underwhelming show overall. I can't even get a good laugh at the comedy anymore because it just got old so fast. The only thing that gave me left me a decent impression is the nostolgia I got from seeing some of the characters from the past. Even then, it still felt kinda stale.
This anime never would work with 12 episodes. I like the Negima universe but....this just doesn't cut it.
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2017-12-19, 14:02 | Link #267 |
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Nah. They actually say that they are created from MEMORIES Asuna and Negi had of their time with them. Which is extra stupid, but that's their explanation and they are sticking to it.
For a moment I actually joked that the plan was to murder the brain cells where Ialda was given the sheere stupid. AND STILL it might have worked, for fans of Negima, but the execution was DREADFUL in how SLOW it was. Do you really think anyone in 3A would wait their turn? It would be a clusterfuck of differring plans and ideas all going off at once. And properly done it might have been GLORIOUS. BUT what we got doesn't work for me as Negima fan, and it CERTAINLY doesn't work dor anyone new who is not familiar with source. Also the focus on kinda second stringers. WTF isn't Chisame just walking down there and bitch slapping him? And what's with that derpy smile?! #notmychisame And on top of it, it tried to reuse the DREADFUL actual harem end from terrible adaptations. Oh yeah, also what is the most reasonable and char with most authority, the baker girl, doing there acting like a damn fool. As for Cho, that's just Cho for you. She either has backdoors in it, since she made the thing, and in original it had her logo/promo on it. Or HAX Martian tech. But yeah this one is another dissapointment. Not as much as others, but again it fails to stick the landing. Which beggs the question of the reasons behind the Anime adaptation.
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2017-12-19, 18:07 | Link #270 |
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Actually, I felt that them recycling the Negima! OP was more of a cheap move for nostalgia goggles (other attempt at putting Negima!-related stuff in a pseudo sequel to the original story).
Not counting the fact that said reference would have totally passed me by had I not read here about it. Excuse me for saying this, but said song is far from memorable to me. |
2017-12-19, 18:57 | Link #271 | |
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Then Konoka teases Setsuna with how that must mean Touta is the son of the Konosetsu union too, flustering Setchan, and that bit wouldn't work at all if they hadn't been part of the cloning proccess too in this version. It's not without precedent in the manga, Cutlass, the other successful experiment, throws genetic material from Fate's Ministra as well, and people at 4chan and Astronerdboy's site coincide with this interpretation, either calling 3-A Touta's mothers or asking if that's the case in the manga as well. As for the seiyuu, Chisame's actress retired recently, so that has to be a replacement indeed. |
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Which is why I was asking what was the point of this Anime? Was it for the old fans of Negima? because as a fan, I don't care AT ALL for the NEGI IS NOW BAD, except not bit that UQ does. And I would rather someone try to animate the festival arc coz LOADS of things happened there, for MULTIPLE seasons. But that will NEVER happen. Was this for the UQ Holder fans, or to bring in new fans of the currently publishing manga? I would assume this is the case, especially since they force inserted all of the UQ harem members, willing or unwilling. But if that was the case, they really screwed up showing what is it one might expect in the manga. Because they inssited more at the idiotic idea to drive to the Negi fight, so we didn't really get to see enough of the UQ members, and hell they even CUT some of them to insert more harem members. Basically if they were trying to get new readers, they would have been better served sticking more to the manga plot. I think they tried to do it ALL. And therefore FAILED at all. Quote:
This kinda is my main beef with the manga actually. That it's using the crutch of the Negima to it's determent while it could be relatively good on it's own right. And it's definitely not satisfying me, the old fan, to see old beloved characters be "evil". But more on that can be said only on the manga toppic. Quote:
And I took her comment to mean that them as memories would not allow Negi and Asuna to just be her parents, but they are in there too. somehow. I guess it's supposed to make us remember that 3A breaks the rules and does it's own thing. But whatever. In any case to me it's more ridiculous that they managed to get genetic material from 30 odd girls and stuffed it into Touta (and have him display just the abilities of Asuna and Negi) than it being some kind of memories welling up shenanigans. Or even Asuna creating it all according to her own plan. But yeah. I don't think we can use logic or reason on this stupidity. Welcome to my and Negi's mind. Basically all of us were going WTF!
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As for wanting to do something that could appear to Negima fans: Has anyone ever considered doing a film based on the Wilhelm arc? It's short enough to be told in about 90-120 minutes, and it contains plenty of stuff that would keep Negima fans entertained. Quote:
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To be honest I wouldn't have wanted another story set in the same universe UNTIL the Negima story had been finished properly. After that, yeah, well, sure, move along with something else altogether new. But I don't think it's fair to your longtime readers keeping using the same universe while denying them the resolution to the previous thing you'd written. At that point the 'I couldn't use this setting anymore because the company...' defense just loses any weight and it's clear you just dropped the whole previous series on your own. And then why shouldn't I think you'd likely just do the same thing all over again?
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That OP was definitely forcing the 31 student aspect down our throats (and don't get me started on the beach volleyball scene).
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2017-12-21, 00:08 | Link #278 |
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As I've said all the way back when episode 1 started.
This entire UQ Holder series is about closure to Negima. It's funny how ppls are still discussing old characters appearing like they're surprised. Tho... ep 12's change is kinda weird... even for a closure... Wonder if they'll still have a season 2 (especially with some reveals not yet shown in this season) - such as Yukihime saying "you're 500 years too late". Tota had to meet with someone first before Yukihime said that. Last edited by chaos_animagic; 2017-12-21 at 00:27. |
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In any case once Negima was dropped, we were unlikely to get any proper conclusion. Frankly those couple chapters in UQ is probably the best we'll ever have, and even though I loved them, they kinda felt out of place for quite a bit of reasons. But then again this arc is hardly over in manga. Quote:
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...I kinda fail to see how... It doesn't actually address the questions about how actual Negima ended coz this is an AU. Well if you discount couple chapters that happen 100+ chapters in. And pretty much until the whole Negi fight bit, it had been doing it's own thing, mostly dealing with immortals and Eve. And if you are talking of the Anime version, then DEFINITELY NO, since Negima characters, apart from a flash back here or there, are largely absent from it untill the end where... well you know my complaints about the whole Negi antagonist bit. In fact of course people are surprised about Negima characters appearing when for the first place they should be long gone except couple immortals or REALLY old people here and there. But again this might be more suitable for the manga thread. Episode 12 is like 0 in closure. Negi is still possessed, only now Ialda has Asuna... SOMEHOW (which is still true in manga). How is that closure?!? The 500 years comment is another one of the comments that only make sense if spoken in the manga verse not in this Anime AU, and of course just transplanting it straight into the anime makes it feel completely out of context.
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2017-12-21, 03:37 | Link #280 |
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You do know that, for some specific reasons, Akamatsu-sensei had to end Negima! abruptly, right?
He must've come up with UQ Holder! as an alternative to give proper closure to the previous story under the guise of a new, kinda related/unrelated one. At least, that's what I've read around, a while back. Anyone is free to correct me if I'm wrong somewhere. |
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