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Old 2020-10-28, 23:03   Link #61
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This show is 100% isekai trash but if I could I'd replace my moogle house with a bear house so... yeah. Curing a disease without even having to go on a fetch quest is broken, though.
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Old 2020-10-29, 03:55   Link #62
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Would I be very mean if I said that I kind of wished that Yuna's last minute "inspiration" did not work? Just ... make it a bit different from Smartphone? Just a bit more gravity?

At least the part with the lord was good and cute.
Given the large number of Dead Anime Moms around, it's nice to see someone can actually defeat the trope, IMO.
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Old 2020-10-29, 04:01   Link #63
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Bloody Bear? More like Pedobear. She's attracting all the lolis in her vicinity, and amusingly, she's become aware of it.
I see nothing wrong. She does not do anything bad to them.

she even has the consent of the dad of one of the lolis. He let his daughter play with bears, because he trust Yuna.
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Old 2020-10-29, 05:29   Link #64
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I might be reading too much into the story, but it's somehow heartbreaking to see the contrast between Yuna's family experiences and seeing a family face a tough situation as the mother falls into a crippling illness. It sucks that she ended up with such a bleak outlook on life, but now Yuna has a lot of chances to make up for it, starting with Fina who seems to have become someone important to her.
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Old 2020-10-29, 11:31   Link #65
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It's little wonder it's heartbreaking. You have two small children helplessly watching their beloved parent wasting away before their eyes, especially the youngest, the girl can't be more than 10 at the most. It looks like the Mother is their only remaining family left, the "Uncle" seeming to be a trusted family friend.
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Old 2020-10-30, 23:29   Link #66
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It's little wonder it's heartbreaking. You have two small children helplessly watching their beloved parent wasting away before their eyes, especially the youngest, the girl can't be more than 10 at the most. It looks like the Mother is their only remaining family left, the "Uncle" seeming to be a trusted family friend.
Yes, family friend hoping to one day become their new dad.
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Old 2020-10-31, 07:33   Link #67
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True, though at least he seems to earnestly care about her kids and helps in looking after them however he can.
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Old 2020-11-04, 12:52   Link #68
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And we have episode 5 ...

How many people did not see the ending coming as soon as they heard it?
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Old 2020-11-04, 19:50   Link #69
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Nobody ever got the idea of transporting chickens and raising them rather than transporting eggs from a distant place to another? Really?

The whole episode reminded me of Bookworm, what with putting orphans to work.
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Old 2020-11-04, 20:21   Link #70
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Nobody ever got the idea of transporting chickens and raising them rather than transporting eggs from a distant place to another? Really?
Risk vs Reward. Does anyone want to shell out the money for transport? If someone is willing to move them, now you need to provide escort, protection from monsters/bandits. How many chickens will survive the trip? Okay, you've done all that, can the chickens survive in their new environment? Did you spend all this money only for something unforeseen to kill all the chickens? Eggs are valuable here, now you need to be careful of thieves stealing your chickens, so security costs as well.

However, all of these reasons probably don't apply as the author probably didn't even take them into consideration and is just using the chickens as a means to help Yuna help the orphanage.
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Old 2020-11-05, 04:54   Link #71
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episode 5:

while I agree that the food Yuna will buy is only temporary relief to the orphans.. temporary help is better than no help at all!! that woman selling barbecue... selfish fatass. Yuna PAID money for the barbecue, so Yuna can decide who to give them to! Anyone who says not to give food to hungry children ticks me off, even in fiction I get enraged.

of course, the root of the problem has to be found and eliminated, which is the noble emebezzling funds. That punch by Cliff is satisfying. I hope that corrupt man ends up behind bars.

and Yuna's reward for her good deeds is sleep on the lap of Fina. Well deserved.

looking forward to next week.
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Old 2020-11-05, 07:47   Link #72
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Risk vs Reward. Does anyone want to shell out the money for transport? If someone is willing to move them, now you need to provide escort, protection from monsters/bandits. How many chickens will survive the trip? Okay, you've done all that, can the chickens survive in their new environment? Did you spend all this money only for something unforeseen to kill all the chickens? Eggs are valuable here, now you need to be careful of thieves stealing your chickens, so security costs as well.

However, all of these reasons probably don't apply as the author probably didn't even take them into consideration and is just using the chickens as a means to help Yuna help the orphanage.
I'd say the reward outweighs the risk by a large margin. Surely that's some rich merchant out there who could have taken that risk. But as you say, the author probably hasn't thought about all that anyway.
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Old 2020-11-05, 09:53   Link #73
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while I agree that the food Yuna will buy is only temporary relief to the orphans.. temporary help is better than no help at all!! that woman selling barbecue... selfish fatass. Yuna PAID money for the barbecue, so Yuna can decide who to give them to! Anyone who says not to give food to hungry children ticks me off, even in fiction I get enraged.
I wouldn't be so hard on her. She wasn't saying that the children didn't deserve more or anything. She just felt that a one-time charity without any follow-through would be bad for both. Frankly, you could even consider it kind of cruel, giving them hope but really only delaying the inevitable. Of course, she has no clue that Yuna has more than enough to be able to not only provide for the children for a much longer term but also the creativity and power to set up alternative methods for them to be provided for permanently. But given said ignorance, I can certainly understand her resistance to what looked like empty, one-time charity. Though there's probably a certain amount of concern for her own shop mixed in, since this would just further encourage the dirty children to hang around the shop, potentially driving off business.

On a different note, I've noticed a very strong favor in Japanese media for providing for the less fortunate by providing them with work. Here, Yuna provides for the orphans by making them work as chicken farmers. In Ascendance of a Bookworm, Main provided for the church's orphans in exchange for having them help her business. In the light novels of Make My Abilities Average, Mile helps a bunch of street urchins who're down on their luck by setting up jobs for them helping to fill the baths at the inn where she and her party were staying. In Smartphone, Touuya's solution to finding an orphan girl picking pockets on the street was to make her his maid. Heck, in Tales of Symphonia, one side story has Zellos get a poor boy and his mother off the street by giving the mother a job at his mansion. I'm not really saying it's a bad thing when it can be done, finding actual work that one can do to earn their food and shelter is likely to be more satisfying than just being provided for, and if they have to leave that work the experience can help them find other work rather than returning to dependence. It's just kind of odd.
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Old 2020-11-05, 10:09   Link #74
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I wouldn't be so hard on her. She wasn't saying that the children didn't deserve more or anything. She just felt that a one-time charity without any follow-through would be bad for both. Frankly, you could even consider it kind of cruel, giving them hope but really only delaying the inevitable. Of course, she has no clue that Yuna has more than enough to be able to not only provide for the children for a much longer term but also the creativity and power to set up alternative methods for them to be provided for permanently. But given said ignorance, I can certainly understand her resistance to what looked like empty, one-time charity. Though there's probably a certain amount of concern for her own shop mixed in, since this would just further encourage the dirty children to hang around the shop, potentially driving off business.

On a different note, I've noticed a very strong favor in Japanese media for providing for the less fortunate by providing them with work. Here, Yuna provides for the orphans by making them work as chicken farmers. In Ascendance of a Bookworm, Main provided for the church's orphans in exchange for having them help her business. In the light novels of Make My Abilities Average, Mile helps a bunch of street urchins who're down on their luck by setting up jobs for them helping to fill the baths at the inn where she and her party were staying. In Smartphone, Touuya's solution to finding an orphan girl picking pockets on the street was to make her his maid. Heck, in Tales of Symphonia, one side story has Zellos get a poor boy and his mother off the street by giving the mother a job at his mansion. I'm not really saying it's a bad thing when it can be done, finding actual work that one can do to earn their food and shelter is likely to be more satisfying than just being provided for, and if they have to leave that work the experience can help them find other work rather than returning to dependence. It's just kind of odd.
i do agree 100% on that way of think, to give "work"rater than "money", don't get me wrong i'm not talking about "children labor" i'm totally against, but the mentality of fixe things "by giving money for me is wrong", the right way to help someone in need is providing "work" at best give a temporary help like yuna did then find a way for the person be able to "get they own money", rater than "giving charity", while charity at "short term" is good and help those peoples at "long term' it don't fix anything you just making that peoples even more "troubled" because at anytime you are forced to stop the "charity" those peoples are screwed.

about the whole situation, well they cut some stuffs it was supposed to be a little longer something between 1 and half episodes or 2 episodes

about the "fat scum destiny:
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Old 2020-11-05, 15:46   Link #75
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I wouldn't be so hard on her. She wasn't saying that the children didn't deserve more or anything. She just felt that a one-time charity without any follow-through would be bad for both. .
we have to agree to disagree. Arguing on this would not go anywhere good. So this is my last reply to you on this. Ignore list updated.

if this was real life, and a food seller told me not to give food to someone hungry.. that would be the last day I'm buying anything from them.

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Old 2020-11-05, 22:39   Link #76
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We have to add some context here: Yuna has always been the "giver" in the relationship, dropping 1 million to her parents just so they can have their vacation, and it's implied that she doesn't get anything in return, whether in cash or in kind(ness). She doesn't want to make the same mistake of spoonfeeding other people through charity.

I've also seen how people nowadays respond to kindness: even young boys and girls know how to exploit kind people without giving back even a simple show of gratitude, let alone beggars in the streets. There's a reason why some countries have anti-mendicancy laws after all.
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Old 2020-11-06, 02:09   Link #77
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We have to add some context here: Yuna has always been the "giver" in the relationship, dropping 1 million to her parents just so they can have their vacation, and it's implied that she doesn't get anything in return, whether in cash or in kind(ness). She doesn't want to make the same mistake of spoonfeeding other people through charity.

I've also seen how people nowadays respond to kindness: even young boys and girls know how to exploit kind people without giving back even a simple show of gratitude, let alone beggars in the streets. There's a reason why some countries have anti-mendicancy laws after all.
one more person added to my ignore list.
this is my only reply to you. Since I won't see you again.

this issue is indeed deep, and you may sound wise saying people who only receive are just exploiting the giver. But if there's a hungry child or bent up old man in front of me asking food, it is non debatable, I will give if I have some food or alms to give.

also the orphans in the anime are not lazy people, they choose to work rather than just keep receiving.

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Old 2020-11-06, 10:17   Link #78
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It's just a complicated issue. I'm reminded of a line from Gate, where Itami warned the medical officer who was considering bringing a prostitute to the town to get her out of that life that if she couldn't follow through it could sometimes be better to do nothing. It's hard to say, but it is actually possible sometimes for a one-time charity to make things worse. That doesn't mean you should stop giving, definitely not. But awareness is necessary, not only of the situation and needs but also of one's own motivations, whether one's really looking to help those in need or just feed their own ego. It's complicated, complicated enough that I can't necessarily say the shopkeeper was right or wrong about it actually being harmful to the children to give them a small amount a single time without the ability and commitment to follow through (ignorant to the fact that Yuna had both in spades). This's part of why some would recommend giving through charities or at facilities meant to provide shelter, food and any other necessities over giving a little cash to people on the street. The people there are fully committed to follow through with everyone they can. Again, I'm not saying don't do it, only that I can't entirely condemn those that raise concerns. Of course, this's all a moot point since Yuna does indeed have both the capacity and the commitment to make sure that things change.

And as for Yuna's giving nature, that too is a two-sided thing. A person who's always ready to give without any concern for reciprocation or gratitude can be a generous, kind person, or a weak-willed doormat who's easily exploited. There's a fairly narrow line between Ebenezer Scrooge on Christmas morning and Ebenezer Blackadder on Christmas Eve. But I'm not really concerned when it comes to Yuna. I'm pretty sure she's much more the former than the latter. She seems plenty shrewd enough to keep from being exploited, and more than successful enough and determined enough that when she chooses to help someone I know she'll be able to make things work out for the better for everyone involved.
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Old 2020-11-06, 16:19   Link #79
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Old 2020-11-12, 15:09   Link #80
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Why didn't they just fly to where the flower was thought to be?

Probably the weakest episode so far.
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