2008-08-12, 00:06 | Link #101 |
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Russians advancing further into Georgia
The Russians appear to be following my sig and paying it back two for an eye. Not content with driving the Georgians out of well..... the Georgian territory of South Ossetia, their ground forces have pushed beyond South Ossetia and Abkhazia right into Georgia itself.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7554507.stm http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/eu...sia/index.html
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2008-08-12, 00:21 | Link #102 | |
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Go fight in the fucking front if you're not so afraid of them. When there are wars, it's people the ones who fight them, with many dying in the attempt. And probably while you're comfortably rotting on your couch. Seriously, grow up. Your attitude is beyond deplorable.
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2008-08-12, 00:32 | Link #103 | |
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That being said, they are equally as afraid of going to war with us as we are of going to war with them. So, as always, we have a distinct standoff that will never truly be resolved until both countries change drastically. |
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2008-08-12, 00:41 | Link #104 | |
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2008-08-12, 00:49 | Link #105 |
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I know Russia used to be a powerful nation, but is no longer really a threat since its economic collapse and the USSR being dissolved in 1991.
Germany was once a powerful nation, but no one fears them now. So was Rome, Spain and even England at one time. |
2008-08-12, 01:12 | Link #107 | |
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Let's see: Germany was taken down by the unholy alliance of the USSR and the USA in a war which lasted years, and devastated large areas in Europe. The decline of Rome and Spain was something else altogether, while England declined because of the two World Wars. Now, Russia is putting its house in order. Putin is clearly no drunk (Bless Boris, RIP). Now rich with oil money, it wants its place in the sun.
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2008-08-12, 01:19 | Link #109 |
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Russia is not threatening nuclear war. They want to send a signal to the US and Western Europe to stop poking their noses in Russia's backyard. NATO's expansion eastwards has made Russia very uncomfortable, and Georgia is one fellow which they had been wanting to hammer for a long time.
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2008-08-12, 01:24 | Link #110 | |
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Look at how much trouble US is having with afgan and iraq. These are not even power nations. Do you know how much we have crippled ourselves so far on these 2 fronts? US's only leverage is to put other concession on the table in exchange of Georgia's existence. |
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2008-08-12, 01:25 | Link #111 | |
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while I'm not going to add anything to this discussion, you have clearly shown you do not have an ounce of knowledge that is true pertaining to the situation. and anything I could say has already been said, so please, just STOP
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2008-08-12, 02:02 | Link #113 | |
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Here you go. It's yesterday's news but maybe someone haven't read yet:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...nt-890563.html The most unbiassed opinion. More or less it is true. And for those who don't want to read: Spoiler for True:
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2008-08-12, 02:13 | Link #114 | |
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The US was crucial on the Western Front. In fact, Stalin was breathing down Roosevelt's neck when D-Day was delayed all the way till July '44.
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2008-08-12, 02:44 | Link #115 | |
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And, they are using the favorable position here, by doing nothing while US was encouraging Georgia to show its teeth to Russia. And, now the Georgia is paying the price, because they are the ones who invited Russia there, by attacking first (assuming they will get supported by US, an assumption coming from a naive leader). US is in no position to throw out threats when they had done the same thing in Iraq. And, no one would have any right to say anything, even if Georgia gets divided by Russia, since Iraq was divided into three by US and others not so long ago. The same thing happened in Yugoslavia. Russia's weakness was used against him. In all those times, when Russia became the opposing side, I don't remember US or others taking into account what Russia said. Maybe people hating Bush should be grateful seeing that happening. Reminding people the importance of not making a mistake, so that others wouldn't repeat it willingfully, for their profit. |
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2008-08-12, 02:49 | Link #116 | |
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2008-08-12, 02:53 | Link #117 |
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The issue of who really "won" World War II in Europe is controversial, but it is true that the USSR held down a far larger contingent of the Wehrmacht than the Allies. Whether they could've won without the Allied invasion is difficult to assess - some might argue that had Hitler been able to commit the entirety of the Wehrmacht he would've overrun Stalingrad, taken the Caucasus, and devastated Stalin's military capability, while others say that it was only a matter of time before the Siberian winter grinded the German forces down to a halt and then a full retreat.
The US was a far more decisive player on the Pacific front against Japan - there the USSR did not contribute as much (though they still won some significant victories). Whatever the case, though, World War II was such a horrific war in terms of its scale and apathy to human suffering that you all had better pray we never get into such a conflict again (against Russia or whoever). Seriously, the wounds of that conflict have yet to even heal; we should not so casually stride into the next world war. |
2008-08-12, 02:58 | Link #118 |
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Russia has enough warheads to vaporize the world a hundred times over. And that was all the way back in the Cold War.
The fact that they, AND America has a LOT more Nukes now should make one more afraid of the current crisis, not less. |
2008-08-12, 03:09 | Link #119 | |
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But this is not an issue of Nuclear armaments. America will do nothing, Europe will do nothing, Georgia will (probably) get a new leader, and Russia will sit back knowing that no other border country will attempt anything in the near future...still pretty bleak, but at least there is no escalation that would result in an even greater conflict. |
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2008-08-12, 05:03 | Link #120 |
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I think the Georgians may be joining the long list of peoples "betrayed" by the US. Rightly or wrongly, the US has created "hope" for many groups of people around the world, only to leave them in the lurch later. From the forgotten war in Laos, to the Kurds after the First Iraq War, many peoples have been played by the US for fools.
I forsee that Russia will get the chance to exert their influence once again. The once-sick bear is roaring again.
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