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Perfect 10 | 16 | 28.57% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 21 | 37.50% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 13 | 23.21% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 4 | 7.14% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 1 | 1.79% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 1 | 1.79% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
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2013-12-05, 15:50 | Link #101 | |||||||
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In short, instead of Minori's escape being cleverness on Shiroe's part, it'd be pure luck. Quote:
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Technically nothing. However some crappy village in the middle of nowhere won't be that interesting to rule. There wouldn't be any other players around to lord over, just people of the land. There wouldn't be a Cathedral nearby, so if you died you'd have to trek back. PvP being on would basically be an open invitation for any party that felt so inclined to PK you until you couldn't meet the upkeep. Speaking of which, buying a village and enough of the surrounding farmland to control it would probably cost quite a bit. Enough that you'd probably need the resources of a fair sized guild to buy and support it, placing some constraints on who could actually buy it. |
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2013-12-06, 05:28 | Link #102 | ||
物語は、もう、おしまい……?
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Also, there's nothing wrong imho about expecting people to be stupid or just simply careless. It's a possible scenario and not something that can't be expected from a group of people who had been defeated without knowing why or how or even by whom. To be honest, I often think that it's very silly for folks making a mountain out of an anthill that can be explained with a clear, simple and totally rational reason =3. It's like having a leaf drop off a tree and every onlooker to come up with a thousand and one complicated theories and interpretations of why the leaf have fallen, from the High Gods' decree at the Dawn of Time about the Order of all things Temporal and Not, to Omens of the End to come and the Why, When and Where it will come, when the reason is simply "the leaf has dropped off". Quote:
Without a goal, or even someone to tell them what to do, Hamelin and the newbies (and pretty much everyone else, including Shiroe and team) are reduced to doing only what they think they can do. Minori's monologue in the previous episode has quite nicely showed us what the newbies might have thought of their situation: weak, helpless, a burden to others. Would anyone want them? No, so they think, much less strangers who have no obligations to them (remember that these players are new to ET and unlike the old-timers have little to no friends in it, except perhaps each other). Even if they had escaped on their own (and normally it's kinda unthinkable why anyone from the field team has not taken that chance), to where and whom can they turn to? What if they come across people worse than Hamelin? The future is so uncertain, that even sticking with Hamelin might look better in comparison. At least they have a roof over their heads and regular meals. In a way there is a similar question asked in MaoYuu, "Why don't the serfs rise against their masters, since their lives are so full of pain and sorrow?" The answer was simply, "Because we don't know the alternatives. We might see the masters drink and feast and make merry all day, but never a moment did we think ourselves doing the same as well." The same, methinks, can be applied here.
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2013-12-06, 06:15 | Link #103 |
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I think Hamelin members being stupid is possible. Remember shredder being stupid didn't use the teacher system or whatever the name of the system is. He is stuck up with higher level and likes to inflict pain on the newbies. His level isn't that high but he still refused to lower to the level of the newbies to not attract agro of the mobs. What do you call that? ah stupid.
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2013-12-06, 06:37 | Link #104 |
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Pretty much, yes. I'm not sure why they can't be stupid to a degree, or at least stupidly arrogant. It's a human failing. I'm fairly sure you can find lots of examples of that sort of thing happening iRL. It's not a hole in the story.
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2013-12-06, 07:14 | Link #105 | |
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2013-12-06, 23:46 | Link #106 |
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The Hamelin members did not use the teacher system because they did not care. Their only goal was to exploit the newbies as much as possible for profit. They only had to make sure the newbies never reach their level or have decent equipments to have a chance to fight back.
They were clever enough to think of exploiting newbies for EXP bottles and sell to top battle guilds. I wouldn't call them stupid. They are just average evil villians. |
2013-12-07, 00:03 | Link #107 | |
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Why the beginners didn't try to escape before Shiroe's operation? Spoiler for References to source material about Hamelin testing what the system punishes as aggression:
The best examples are those RL ones of kids kidnapped and held prisoners for many years and later escaping their captors. One good example of having the doors wide open and the captive not trying to escape would be the case of the three girls kidnapped by Ariel Castro. Not gonna go in detail but you can read about it in wikipedia or find some documentaries about the case. But even if they didn't use the system restrictions, psychology plays a big role on the captives. |
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2013-12-07, 10:21 | Link #108 |
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Personally I'd say them being the kids being able to leave is a lot less of an issue then that they had not restriction placed there ability to use attack skills which was shown by I've got a couple ideas about this that could explain both. One is that Hamelin kept there slave labor kept on a single restriction list which could be toggled on or off and during the commotion there just didn't think to turn it back on. The other is Hamelin was intentionally leaving them opening possibly even hoping the newbies would try to rebel at this point since they were still weak enough they could put it down with force. I think the later is more likely because sooner or later the members of the hunting party would become strong enough they'd be difficult to control unless they've been mentally broken.
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