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j0x · 2011-02-19, 18:40

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Originally Posted by Blackbeard D. Kuma

Animation and artwork are two very different things. The latter is what many viewers are most concerned about. If something doesn't look "pretty", there's a good possibility it'll be dismissed by many viewers today. And did you not read my post? You just proved my point about those very viewers watching crap all because they're so focused on the exterior layer (artwork/animation) of the show.

well if you say artwork and that includes coloring then fine i get it, i thought your specifically saying animation as most ecchi and shounen anime have low quality animation, i say the old shows do not have much good coloring than today's anime

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Originally Posted by Blackbeard D. Kuma

You're wrong. One Piece is also done by Toei Animation (the same company that did DragonBall). That being said, it also has various styles of animation/artwork because of the different teams working on the series.

i know its done by Toei studio too, im not that a consistent viewer of One Piece but when i watch random episodes and youtube videos their are not much difference on the artwork when i look at it, compared to that to Naruto (and Shippuuden) you can tell that their is a lot of artwork variation between arcs and episodes

Peanutbutter · 2011-02-20, 04:29

No DB Kai this week?

Ottocycle · 2011-02-20, 04:56

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Originally Posted by Peanutbutter003

No DB Kai this week?

There is an episode today. 18 got puked out, and it ended in Cell's self-destructing sequence, fat Cell and all.

Next week concludes the arc.

LuckyCat · 2011-02-20, 05:13

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Originally Posted by Ottocycle

Next week concludes the arc.

Nope, the Tokyo Marathon 2011 is next week during Kai's slot, so 98 is definitely the magic number.

Peanutbutter · 2011-02-20, 05:14

And I was wondering why my usual places are taking longer than usual.

Blaat · 2011-02-20, 06:05

rotflol @ the preview, spoiling big things in the previews still cracks me up after 94 episodes.

Peanutbutter · 2011-02-20, 06:52

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Originally Posted by Blaat

rotflol @ the preview, spoiling big things in the previews still cracks me up after 94 episodes.

At least they didn't show:

Spoiler:

Feels like the entire thing will end at 97. Then 98 will be Trunks' part.

Yui Is My Wife · 2011-02-20, 11:46

Notice the ironic use of music here.

The theme of Vegeta's despair as he fails to vaporize Cell is played here to emphasize Cell's hopelessness and terror as everything he throws at Son Gohan falls off the boy like so much rain.

And THEN "One Strike of Victory", Vegeta's "Final Flash" thunderously roars into the speakers as Son Gohan reflects the monster's Kamehameha back with his own and humiliatingly tears it apart with triumphant fury.

The sheer power of this recut sent shivers down my spine.

magnumcyclonex · 2011-02-20, 12:04

Gohan is sounding more and more like his father. What a stark contrast to his adorable voice when he does the "this episode is sponsored by x company" at the end of the show.

Anyways, back to the story. Did Gohan have that smirk in DBZ and mess around with Cell?

Yui Is My Wife · 2011-02-20, 22:16

Yes, unfortunately he did. Super Saiyajin Level 2 basically awakens the beast sleeping within every Saiyajin's true nature, turning even the kind hearted Son Gohan into a cold blooded and sadistic murderer.

wingdarkness · 2011-02-20, 23:06

Boy I remember the first time I saw this episode, it was on a $hitty 3,000 times dubbed-over SVHS tape...Lines all over the damn picture, and with tracking problems galore, we absolutely LOVED it^^...

Cartoon Network's original run by Pioneer (before Funimation) with the better voices no one knows about, used to always end on the episode where Goku landed on Namek >_<...It was infuriating and it made us search hi and low for any eps we could get...Hence the crappy but awesome Gohan 2 vs. Cell eps which were actually the first Super-Sayain stuff I ever saw, so this episode brought back lots of memories (Yes even annoyed memories of how the the animation teams switched midway giving us an awesome drawn Gohan2 and a rolleyes Gohan2

) ....

As enjoyable as it was seeing it again in Kai, I gotta give Funimation's version the win...I remember being on the edge of my seat and totally hyped up when Gohan started turning those Cell Juniors into Barbecue ash...It's mostly because a bitchin' music track was used that really captured the moment...I know Kai just uses like 4 BGM's and for the most part they do the job, but maybe they should have dropped an insert song in like "Sayain Blood" (for Vegeta vs. Freiza), because I just didn't feel it as much this go, although killing the Cell Jr.'s somehow looked more graphic this time around...

Ahiru77 · 2011-02-21, 12:54

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Originally Posted by Yui Is My Wife

Yes, unfortunately he did. Super Saiyajin Level 2 basically awakens the beast sleeping within every Saiyajin's true nature, turning even the kind hearted Son Gohan into a cold blooded and sadistic murderer.

You used "sadistic" and "Gohan" in the same sentence. What has the world come to ?

Angel...thou has fallen, thus thou lost thy wings.

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Originally Posted by wingdarkness

As enjoyable as it was seeing it again in Kai, I gotta give Funimation's version the win...I remember being on the edge of my seat and totally hyped up when Gohan started turning those Cell Juniors into Barbecue ash...It's mostly because a bitchin' music track was used that really captured the moment...I know Kai just uses like 4 BGM's and for the most part they do the job, but maybe they should have dropped an insert song in like "The Lone Warrior", because I just didn't feel it as much this go, although killing the Cell Jr.'s somehow looked more graphic this time around...

Fixed. I concur.

FlareKnight · 2011-02-21, 16:09

God watching Gohan just toss Cell around like he's nothing is a beautiful thing to watch. Think it's fine for him to get a bit of a darker streak during this fight. Cell has caused so much death and devastation that he deserved getting owned like this. Absolutely nothing was slowing Gohan down and the music was spot on.

I can't get on Gohan much for not finishing him off sooner. It's not like Vegeta's blunder in letting him go and absorb 18. Cell definitely deserved some pain and really with that big of a power gap there didn't seem to be a rush.

Shiroth · 2011-02-21, 17:03

I never was a fan of Gohan vs Cell, so i'm not that huge on this part of the story. Some really nice music placement in this episode though, so it was worth my time.

Sure that is one hell of a huge spoiler preview, though you could skip watching it and only check out the episode title, and you'd still see a huge spoiler.

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I can't get on Gohan much for not finishing him off sooner. It's not like Vegeta's blunder in letting him go and absorb 18. Cell definitely deserved some pain and really with that big of a power gap there didn't seem to be a rush.

Well i can. An enemy like Cell can easily have a few hidden tricks up his sleeves, so it's best to finish him off when he had the chance.

LuckyCat · 2011-02-21, 21:06

I always thought it was clever of Toriyama to bring back Cell's 2nd stage here. It never really got any good hits in the first time around and it turns out, in effect, to be Cell's trump card.

Next ep is going to be another great moment, too. Maybe we'll get some new soundtrack action out of it.

kk2extreme · 2011-02-21, 22:39

If Gohan finish things too quickly, then we won't have our sexy 18 still being alive

FlareKnight · 2011-02-21, 22:56

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Originally Posted by Shiroth

Well i can. An enemy like Cell can easily have a few hidden tricks up his sleeves, so it's best to finish him off when he had the chance.

Then why not blame nearly every character in this series for not getting things done faster. Other than Trunks trying to beat the second stage Cell quickly, everyone else was more than willing to take their time. Goku let Freeza power right up, Vegeta let Cell get to his perfect form after spending a lengthy time beating him up, Freeza played around for a long time with Goku when he could have finished him off, and of course Cell let Gohan power right up via anger. Can say they all made mistakes, but Gohan's miss is hardly worse than anyone else. Besides again with that massive gap there isn't a usual worry about hidden tricks.

wingdarkness · 2011-02-21, 23:41

^What are we arguing here? Normal Super Saiyan requires a large amount of anger and//or hate, SSJ2 requires exponentially more as exampled by Gohan in this arc...SSJ3 (atleast Gotenks) makes you ridiculously arrogant...Gohan was as mad as he's ever been, and slightly arrogant with his new found powers...

Remember how bonkers Gotenks was when they powered up? They don't wanna listen to anyone because they don't think anyone can perceive their power...Gohan, slightly older but a kid nonetheless experience a bit of that same hubris...

What's crazy about all of this is that Vegeta (my fav character BTW) never reached more than ascended Saiyan in the entire series (Not including his Majin Powerup or Bulma cheat coding him to get to SSJ4 in GT)...Gohan on the other hand seemingly never became stronger than SSJ2...Mystic Gohan never came across to me as on the same level although scouter numbers prolly don't confirm that...

Blackbeard D. Kuma · 2011-02-22, 00:33

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Originally Posted by wingdarkness

Gohan on the other hand seemingly never became stronger than SSJ2...Mystic Gohan never came across to me as on the same level although scouter numbers prolly don't confirm that...

Mystic Gohan was the strongest non-fused character in the Buu arc. SSJ3 Goku and SSJ3 Gotenks were inferior to him.

sbk · 2011-02-22, 00:36

I thought it was a nice touch that SSJ2 had a drawback (Gohan's personality tainted, he becomes sadistic). It revisits the idea that SSJ taints your mind unless you're used to the transformation, like was seen in the Freeza saga (Goku became way more aggressive when he became SSJ and he said something like "while I still have some reason left" when he told Gohan to go home).

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Blaat Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004	rotflol @ the preview, spoiling big things in the previews still cracks me up after 94 episodes. __________________ MyAnimeList

2011-02-20, 11:46	Link #3028
Yui Is My Wife Paper-Fan of DOOM!! Join Date: Jul 2010	Notice the ironic use of music here. The theme of Vegeta's despair as he fails to vaporize Cell is played here to emphasize Cell's hopelessness and terror as everything he throws at Son Gohan falls off the boy like so much rain. And THEN "One Strike of Victory", Vegeta's "Final Flash" thunderously roars into the speakers as Son Gohan reflects the monster's Kamehameha back with his own and humiliatingly tears it apart with triumphant fury. The sheer power of this recut sent shivers down my spine. __________________

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Yui Is My Wife Paper-Fan of DOOM!! Join Date: Jul 2010	Yes, unfortunately he did. Super Saiyajin Level 2 basically awakens the beast sleeping within every Saiyajin's true nature, turning even the kind hearted Son Gohan into a cold blooded and sadistic murderer. __________________

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wingdarkness Retweet Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: ニュー・オーリンズ、LA	Boy I remember the first time I saw this episode, it was on a $hitty 3,000 times dubbed-over SVHS tape...Lines all over the damn picture, and with tracking problems galore, we absolutely LOVED it^^... Cartoon Network's original run by Pioneer (before Funimation) with the better voices no one knows about, used to always end on the episode where Goku landed on Namek >_<...It was infuriating and it made us search hi and low for any eps we could get...Hence the crappy but awesome Gohan 2 vs. Cell eps which were actually the first Super-Sayain stuff I ever saw, so this episode brought back lots of memories (Yes even annoyed memories of how the the animation teams switched midway giving us an awesome drawn Gohan2 and a rolleyes Gohan2 ) .... As enjoyable as it was seeing it again in Kai, I gotta give Funimation's version the win...I remember being on the edge of my seat and totally hyped up when Gohan started turning those Cell Juniors into Barbecue ash...It's mostly because a bitchin' music track was used that really captured the moment...I know Kai just uses like 4 BGM's and for the most part they do the job, but maybe they should have dropped an insert song in like "Sayain Blood" (for Vegeta vs. Freiza), because I just didn't feel it as much this go, although killing the Cell Jr.'s somehow looked more graphic this time around... __________________ Fly since ↔...

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FlareKnight User of the "Fast Draw" Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Canada	God watching Gohan just toss Cell around like he's nothing is a beautiful thing to watch. Think it's fine for him to get a bit of a darker streak during this fight. Cell has caused so much death and devastation that he deserved getting owned like this. Absolutely nothing was slowing Gohan down and the music was spot on. I can't get on Gohan much for not finishing him off sooner. It's not like Vegeta's blunder in letting him go and absorb 18. Cell definitely deserved some pain and really with that big of a power gap there didn't seem to be a rush. __________________ Anime-Evo

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Peanutbutter Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007	No DB Kai this week?

2011-02-20, 05:14	Link #3025
Peanutbutter Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007	And I was wondering why my usual places are taking longer than usual.

2011-02-20, 12:04	Link #3029
magnumcyclonex Cyclone Magnum Join Date: Apr 2004	Gohan is sounding more and more like his father. What a stark contrast to his adorable voice when he does the "this episode is sponsored by x company" at the end of the show. Anyways, back to the story. Did Gohan have that smirk in DBZ and mess around with Cell?

2011-02-21, 21:06	Link #3035
LuckyCat Wise Kitty Cat Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: San Diego, CA	I always thought it was clever of Toriyama to bring back Cell's 2nd stage here. It never really got any good hits in the first time around and it turns out, in effect, to be Cell's trump card. Next ep is going to be another great moment, too. Maybe we'll get some new soundtrack action out of it.

2011-02-21, 22:39	Link #3036
kk2extreme Your wife is hot... Join Date: May 2008 Location: At your house fixing A/C	If Gohan finish things too quickly, then we won't have our sexy 18 still being alive

2011-02-21, 23:41	Link #3038
wingdarkness Retweet Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: ニュー・オーリンズ、LA	^What are we arguing here? Normal Super Saiyan requires a large amount of anger and//or hate, SSJ2 requires exponentially more as exampled by Gohan in this arc...SSJ3 (atleast Gotenks) makes you ridiculously arrogant...Gohan was as mad as he's ever been, and slightly arrogant with his new found powers... Remember how bonkers Gotenks was when they powered up? They don't wanna listen to anyone because they don't think anyone can perceive their power...Gohan, slightly older but a kid nonetheless experience a bit of that same hubris... What's crazy about all of this is that Vegeta (my fav character BTW) never reached more than ascended Saiyan in the entire series (Not including his Majin Powerup or Bulma cheat coding him to get to SSJ4 in GT)...Gohan on the other hand seemingly never became stronger than SSJ2...Mystic Gohan never came across to me as on the same level although scouter numbers prolly don't confirm that... __________________ Fly since ↔...

2011-02-22, 00:36	Link #3040
sbk Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2009	I thought it was a nice touch that SSJ2 had a drawback (Gohan's personality tainted, he becomes sadistic). It revisits the idea that SSJ taints your mind unless you're used to the transformation, like was seen in the Freeza saga (Goku became way more aggressive when he became SSJ and he said something like "while I still have some reason left" when he told Gohan to go home).