2018-09-21, 08:49 | Link #502 |
Dragon King
Join Date: Jul 2014
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I'm a bit disappointed with Goku's Ultra Instinct Sign ending so soon in the manga.
About mortal levels. I'm pretty sure we did get an explanation in the anime. I guess it either wasn't a good enough explanation and/or not memorable enough. They factor in how much development and intelligence there is in a universe, as well as how strong the mortals are. But the former one is more important. Recall that after hearing the explanation, Beerus scolded Goku for being dumb. Then Beerus got scolded for not doing his job properly and letting Freeza do as he pleased. Freeza destroying all of those planets also hurt Universe 7's mortal level, but the fact that only Earth has the strongest fighters also hurts it. Other universes have strong fighters spread across multiple universes and the universes exempt from the tournament have very advanced civilizations as well.
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2018-09-21, 16:14 | Link #504 | |
Kana Hanazawa ♥
Join Date: Jun 2007
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Toppo and Dyspo being stuck on a rock was just hilarious. Kid Goku could have easily jumped that distance back in the first volumes of DB. If they were really that weakened, there was no point in them getting back to the arena. 17's sacrifice was so bad too. It accomplished absolutely nothing and the only one who cared was Krillin.
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2018-09-22, 09:23 | Link #508 |
The Saiyan God
Join Date: Aug 2015
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With the speed of what going on, Goku will give more speech before turning into Mastered UI. Seriously Anime Goku need a spirit bomb exploded right at his face, got beaten like ant before turning into UI Sign. Manga Goku just need some speech, and he is fucking talkative when in UI Sign
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2018-10-20, 12:24 | Link #513 |
Corrupted fool
Join Date: Nov 2012
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Is it me or Vegeta keeps going full hypocrite? He used to say Saiyans fight alone because of pride but now he is teaming up with Goku. The way he is taunting Jiren is even worse considering everybody already revived somebody in the past and Vegeta's dialogue is used to make the enemy upset. It's like the writers hate Jiren so they made him an cliche bad guy. He only lacks a moustache.
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2018-10-20, 12:31 | Link #514 |
Kana Hanazawa ♥
Join Date: Jun 2007
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I don't think Jiren is a cliché bad guy, or even a bad guy at all, but his motivation does suck here. Makes him really lame.
The fight was pretty mediocre considering it was supposed to be the big fight of the arc.
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2018-10-20, 13:07 | Link #515 | |
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At least there was one. What was Jiren's wish in the anime anyways?
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2018-10-20, 13:45 | Link #516 |
Kana Hanazawa ♥
Join Date: Jun 2007
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We never found out. Maybe it was the same wish, but obviously not for the same reason. Anime and manga Jiren ended believing in the same thing by the time of the TOP, but anime Jiren didn't start out that way. No reason for his master not to approve of him there.
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2018-10-21, 18:02 | Link #517 |
Dragon King
Join Date: Jul 2014
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Wasn't anime Jiren the type that would throw aside his comrades because they were "useless"? Or am I getting mixed up between the manga and anime?
On a slightly unrelated note, the manga had Goku go into perfected Ultra Instinct (with the silver hair) a lot sooner. And then it wore off in the same chapter, too.
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2018-10-21, 18:17 | Link #518 | |
Kana Hanazawa ♥
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When he first showed up in the manga I had good hopes he would be a better character there, but he ended up being pretty much the same.
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2018-10-22, 08:26 | Link #519 | |
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2018-10-28, 18:02 | Link #520 |
Corrupted fool
Join Date: Nov 2012
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The more I look into it, the more Jiren decays as a villain. It's like Tori and Toei noticed the original audience liked the character for his seriousness and respects towards his enemies and the fact that he easily defeats Goku multiple times. Then they had to make him angry so that fans would root for Goku. Just seeing the vids about the Dragon Ball villains in Youtube makes me think that everybody hates Jiren which sounds reasonable after how the character changed in less than 2 hours. Even the whole justice ideals thing are forgotten. Just compare Jiren with previous villains.
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