2013-03-21, 17:10 | Link #81 | |
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Where did you see the second beat him? |
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2013-03-22, 00:02 | Link #82 |
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This discussion has been more interesting then the chapter.
We got ppl claiming Madara is weak because he could only last 24 hours against the 1st and 2nd hokage plus 8 other senju by himself...Although i think it's likely that fight was just madara vs hashirama. We got some guy refusing to accept sarutobi is weaker then hashirama...Oh yeah, and Frieza is still the most powerful being in the dbz universe because king kai said it that one time. |
2013-03-22, 09:33 | Link #84 | |
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2013-03-22, 11:28 | Link #85 |
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and naruto was never outright stated to be stronger than shino but we can use basic logical deductions can't we? i prefer to not have every last detail and comparison spelled out for me. it's not difficult to see that hashirama was stronger than hiruzen. you just have to remove your blinders
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2013-03-22, 20:03 | Link #86 | |
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2013-03-22, 22:37 | Link #87 | |
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Out of curiosity(not necessarily directed at you in particular), why are some of you so adamant about Hiruzen holding this title, or being stronger than Hashirama? |
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2013-03-23, 11:40 | Link #89 |
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This chapter gives another hint to the very end of the Naruto saga. Sakura had to become a medical ninja after all.
Sasuke will give Naruto his eyes,that will make things even. Last edited by Monster0; 2013-03-23 at 11:56. |
2013-03-23, 23:28 | Link #90 | |
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Madara was quite clearly shown to be cut by the second in one of the panels. |
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2013-03-24, 03:52 | Link #92 | |
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Hashirama was obv stronger than the third, but why can't the third also be seen as a God of Shinobi from a more political p.o.v? The leaf was the strongest village and he was at the helm of it for the longest period...i'd say it's probably the equivalent of being president of U.S. |
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2013-03-24, 13:14 | Link #93 |
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and therefore not a god... compared to the current manga power levels, hiruzen isn't special at all (among the elite shinobi). the big excuse is always his old age, but look at what oonoki is capable of in his old age. if any of the more recent kages are godlike it's oonoki, not hiruzen. calling hiruzen the god of shinobi at this point makes no sense no matter how you want to slice it
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2013-03-24, 13:32 | Link #94 |
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To be fair that's more about power inflation than actual power level within the story. If the author decides to put Edo-Sarutobi under the spotlight for some fan service you can be sure that he will be shown as a power to be reckoned with.
That said I wouldn't hold my breath, Kishomoto could have done that during the Kyubi attack flashback but he was too busy shining Yondaime's hair and I find more likely that he will do so again. |
2013-03-24, 17:14 | Link #95 | |
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Of course it would still hold true that the 1st and 2nd were summoned in a weakened state, which wouldn't be revealed until now, but since Sarutobi had to fight 3 kage level people at the same time them being weakened compared to their prime would not mean that Sarutobi is weak. Such an epic battle and the fact that Orochi already told Sarutobi that his old age made him weak compared to his prime would do the job of imagining how strong Sarutobi was in his prime. Although for me Sarutobi's fight would not seem so bad if it was not for the roof and barrier thing. I mean what is that roof made of? A roof that can stand the jutsu of 4 kage level ninja? Where was that magic roof when Pain attacked? |
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2013-03-25, 17:35 | Link #97 | |
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Not to say that they aren't formidable, but I haven't seen the likes of Oonoki do anything that trumps Sarutobi. But like it was said earlier, Hashirama's power is the result of hype. In order for Madara to be a credible major villain, he must be a unmatchable threat. So for anyone to have been his rival they too would have to be depicted as insanely powerful, thus you have the current "God of Shinobi" Hashirama. Heh. To think there was time where people actually wondered if Kakuzu defeated Shodaime. Though I guess technically the outcome of that fight is unknown
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2013-03-26, 05:29 | Link #100 | |
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Now I think Sarutobi's lack of prowess is more representative of the fact that he died early in the show instead of what his power is supposed to be within the story but it doesn't change the fact that if what he did on panel was all he had I'd not bet on him against many of nowaday Jounin. The power inflation over the last few hundreds chapters is just too big of a gap. And Hashirama's power just hype? This very flashback has shown that he had the power to crush the Kyubi single handedly with ease. Look it's really that simple : whereas Sarutobi helped by all of Konoha couldn't put a scratch on the Kyubi, Madara and Hashirama made the previous ultimate power of the show look like a mere attack dog. The Kyubi is a little bigger than Gamabunta, the meteor was several orders of magnitude bigger than both of them together. |
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