2013-07-05, 01:09 | Link #542 |
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Since there's no image thread, I only have this place in which I can leave this here. I cracked up, no lie lol
On the current discussion taking place. The show really isn't that serious in the first place so accurate and serious character portrayals are somewhat misplaced-expectations imo. It's fine to dislike that aspect, but just be aware that the show probably never intended it to be otherwise. EDIT: More lols
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2013-07-05, 01:24 | Link #543 |
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Fabulous gif; thanks for sharing.
Hey, maybe it's one of those school dances where everyone is too shy to mingle and so they awkwardly segregate themselves by gender... I'd almost buy that if this show were taking place in the U.S., anyway.
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2013-07-05, 01:49 | Link #545 |
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I watched this show because I thought it would remind me of my days as a swimmer/diver for my middle, high school and college teams. Personally if Kyoani woulda butched up the guys instead of copying and pasting the personalities the show would've been more enjoyable, the physiques were great, the characters designs and the forms of the swimming were spot on. Seriously, I doubt men who are champion swimmers would cuddle each other and act the THAT effeminate, unless they're gay of course, but even then I've known gay men who are no where near that effeminate. Kinda makes me curious what kind people these otakus are that buy into this stuff.
edit; personally what the teaser did in 45 seconds this show couldn't even do in 25 mins. Then again I ain't a fujoshi.
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2013-07-05, 02:50 | Link #546 | |
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Or something. tl;dr Japan's standards are probably different from western standards. Some bffs might actually hug each other out when nobody's looking and still be completely straight.... |
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2013-07-05, 03:34 | Link #548 | |
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2013-07-05, 03:48 | Link #549 | |
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2013-07-05, 04:04 | Link #551 |
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It's only one episode, but I'm liking it! I like the ED song better than the OP. As for the characters I got a feeling there's some jealous between Rin and Haru.
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2013-07-05, 04:07 | Link #552 | |
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Men are so used to getting fanservice that women getting fanservice, and from a company that has previously catered only to men, makes them feel threatened and panic. Go look at /a/, if you need a laugh, it's all creeps flailing that the fujoshi are going to take over the anime industry and that they won't be able to get their loli fix anymore. |
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2013-07-05, 05:49 | Link #553 | |
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The crux here is that it took an anime company who specialized in moe contents for males* to point out just how terrible some of the knee-jerk reactions are against fanservice shows in general. For KyoAni critics such as myself, one aspect why I enjoyed the first episode is exactly because it's now the other way around, but that in itself is entertainment to me. The entertaining thing here is, people who defend the show on grounds that the industry is being dominated by male-oriented content, and that makes the gratuous fanservice OK in this case (nevermind they are drooling over underaged boys, a common argument used against the moe pedo crowds), don't realize how utterly empty that argument is. The only thing it carries is a sentiment that fanservice is bad no matter who you aim it at. This is something I cannot agree with. *and let's not start how K-ON! was popular with females, the first season was clearly aimed at male otaku |
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2013-07-05, 05:51 | Link #554 | ||
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I never said you liked it, I said you accepted the kind of things K-on does as a default, a fact of life. But when you see it from the "outside" (so to speak) suddenly you're uncomfortable with it, and expect others to take an issue with it.
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(A disclaimer again, obviously I'm talking in general terms. I'm not saying men can't enjoy Free or women can't enjoy K-on or any other show, or that all men/women have the same issues with everything and blah blah blah you get my point.) There's also the issues musuoka mentioned, but I won't get into those. Quote:
Also, this is a light-hearted silly fanservice show about guys stripping at the drop of a hat and showing off their hot bodies and being all doujin fodders, and I can't help but feel it kind of hilarious that we're even having this argument. End of story, as far as I'm concerned... |
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2013-07-05, 06:07 | Link #556 | |
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If there's someone who's not being a hypocrite by complaining about the way males are portrayed here it's him.
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2013-07-05, 07:45 | Link #559 |
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To be fair, some of us male anime viewers have criticized ecchi fanservice aimed at men. I myself have criticized it when I felt it went over the line, and/or when it was counterproductive to things like characterization and tone.
And yes, Reckoner is being consistent here. I can tell you from personal experience that he's not being any harder on Free! than he was on K-On! That being said, I don't think that the fanservice in this show is over the line, and I don't think its counterproductive to things like characterization and tone. It might become that later on, but it's certainly not there yet, imo. As I imagine a gender-flipped Free! in my mind, I doubt its level of fanservice would garner much attention. It might not even raise an eyebrow. Are these characters somewhat idealized in how friendly and nice they are? Yes, they are. But only to the same degree that you commonly see with anime female characters. Kuromitsu is right there, so I don't find the characterization of the Free! guys particularly problematic. The fact is that few anime shows captures teenagers as they actually tend to be. If you want that, I'd recommend Hyouka - For both genders.
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2013-07-05, 07:46 | Link #560 |
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Okay this argument is getting silly. For one I know from both Enzo and Reckoner's posts on other threads that they don't think guys should only act by a set perimeter of masculinity.
I have a lot of issues with many of what male anime fans have said about Free!, Fujoshi, and women shows in general. I never felt anything sexist from any of Enzo's and Reckoner's comments. I think this is really just an issue of miscommunication. However I disagree with them that the characters act like middle school girls or like any girls I know. Do I think they are realistic portrayals of guys? Well no I absolutely don't. The guys in Free! are meant to appeal to female fantasies. I am not necessarily saying they are my fantasies lol but just like the girls in KON! (the oft cited example in this thread) appeal to male fantasies, it is the same for the guys in Free! And yes many of the same tropes appeal to both genders. They are tropes not realistic portrayals of teenage boys or girls. They aren't meant to be.
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