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Old 2015-04-04, 23:29   Link #61
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Too bad PM didn't trust its premise enough not to oversell it - there's plenty of emotional firepower here without all the overwrought maudlin nonsense.

To me, this was a great (if not entirely original) premise indifferently executed. We'll see how it develops.
I completely agree. Plastic Memories seems to fall into the category of interesting themes that will amount to how well their executed and of course, the always important how interesting and/or entertaining the characters are. For starters, I'm hoping they do more with the characters.

Also, an emotional manipulation alert triggered for me when the 1st Giftia retrieval Tsukasa & Isla handled together happened to be a little moe girl and the person which she "belonged" to was an old lady. Of course there are cases like that so it wasn't really a problem, but I just hope the show doesn't make a habit out of it.

Will be giving this one at least 4-5 episodes, though I'd hope to stick with it 'till the end.
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Old 2015-04-05, 00:01   Link #62
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Ep1

Not as bad as I thought. Not that I had any reason to think it was bad, beforehand either though.
Overall... I think I mainly just found the heroine(?) to be cute. The whole setting is so "I'm trying to make you cry", which is more or less okay, but... I didn't cry, so meh, I guess.

But the heroine was cute, and it wasn't too bad.
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Old 2015-04-05, 01:34   Link #63
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Can they not transfer the memories to a upgraded model or something?
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Old 2015-04-05, 02:10   Link #64
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Can they not transfer the memories to a upgraded model or something?
I think this was shown in the episode. Turns out emotional attachment has a lot to do over just accepting upgrades.

That said... Good start to the season I guess, for this series.

Even though that "I need to take a leak" at the end kind of... Ooookay, whatever floats your boat, but I kind of liked it.
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Old 2015-04-05, 02:50   Link #65
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Just to lighten up mood (even more). People should remember the classics (not really):

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Old 2015-04-05, 03:13   Link #66
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There's a few interesting questions this roughly fixed nine year operating limit they have. Is it an honest limitation of the technology or is there a more sinister truth behind it? Is it just something arbitrary to ensure the company that builds them has a reason for their customers to keep coming in at regular intervals to buy replacements or perhaps they fear that the androids they built would become too smart and might turn against them and decided 9 years was the safe limit on them? Or perhaps there's a unexpected third option the show might go with. Perhap they are giving them to people to "train" them and then secretly building an army for an invasion or something and using the 9 year limit as cover for said operation. But that's one of the more out there possibilities. :P
It'll have to be something smart. These types of "premise stories" really have to bring out the unthinkable, even original thought. The sales quotas option, as others have said, seems too cliché. Androids turning evil is just illogical and a premise for sci-fi stories of the last century. Androids running out of memory is interesting and fits the title, but honestly these days with cloud services and data dimensionality reductions it's just something I wouldn't find very smart.

As for the old lady from this episode, I'm seriously afraid for her. Lots of old people get depressed and lose their will to live after someone dear is taken from them.
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Old 2015-04-05, 03:38   Link #67
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What a fantastic show, tears in my eyes just off one episode.
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Old 2015-04-05, 04:57   Link #68
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Giftia's sure are intriguing.
This looks like an interesting story.
Not the happiest one though.. but has its fun moments.
Still... it's definitely something different.
That Isla sure has some issues going on..
The story certainly has potential.
Will give it a try.
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Old 2015-04-05, 05:05   Link #69
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My tears are going to be dried up at the end of this season.. considering the possibility that I might cry every week because of this!

I also said it is a good balance between drama and comedy.. It gave me good laugh

Is it possible in the future they might extend the lifespan? T___T
I don't want to see Isla get shutted down... Although considering that they might be re-started again.. memories could be recovered from her diary
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Old 2015-04-05, 05:21   Link #70
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Definitely an interesting show.

Of course there are 2 things that stand out as specific questions in this show. First, is the 9 1/3 year limit real? I do believe it is real in that the program and hardware limitations are there. There is only so much space you can put on a hard drive, and the program probably is set to expire intentionally. As for using cloud space, that is too dangerous a proposition. The idea of mixing up millions of Giftea in cloud space is just a disaster waiting to happen in so many different ways (i.e. potential misuse, theft of data, possible A.I. creation, etc.). I actually believe they could copy over the personality matrix and partial summary memory, which would reduce a renew lifespan to say 4.5 years if they wanted to (so get Giftea gets renewed every 4.5 years), but they chose not to do so for business reasons.

The other issue is Isla. We know she is a veteran that was formerly decommissioned, but why? Did she actually surpass the 9 1/3 year deadline, or is she approaching it? The errors she says would indicate that as a possibility that she is already over 9 1/3 years. I'm sure they will explore her dynamics as the story goes on.
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Old 2015-04-05, 05:25   Link #71
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As for using cloud space, that is too dangerous a proposition. The idea of mixing up millions of Giftea in cloud space is just a disaster waiting to happen in so many different ways (i.e. potential misuse, theft of data, possible A.I. creation, etc.).
When Edward was taken out of commission it was mentioned that the need for the owners to witness the decommissioning in person was because the Giftias stored lots of personal information. Going by that you can also make the case against cloud storage.
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Old 2015-04-05, 06:29   Link #72
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Stealth prequel to Blade Runner, calling it now.

The writer better have a damn good reason why the personality data can't be copied.
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Old 2015-04-05, 07:18   Link #73
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The idea of mixing up millions of Giftea in cloud space is just a disaster waiting to happen in so many different ways (i.e. potential misuse, theft of data, possible A.I. creation, etc.).
Doesn't stop anybody from using cloud services in our world, lol.
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I actually believe they could copy over the personality matrix and partial summary memory, which would reduce a renew lifespan to say 4.5 years if they wanted to (so get Giftea gets renewed every 4.5 years), but they chose not to do so for business reasons.
Business is the most realistic reason, but also fairly predictable and cliché ("it was always about the money"). Speaking of memory summary, tons of memory is associative, so memories in themselves are very much compressed, summarized entities.

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The errors she says would indicate that as a possibility that she is already over 9 1/3 years.
I thought her "errors" were just a way to avoid answering tough questions or showing nerves.

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When Edward was taken out of commission it was mentioned that the need for the owners to witness the decommissioning in person was because the Giftias stored lots of personal information. Going by that you can also make the case against cloud storage.
Sure, it was mentioned, but what do Giftia owners actually see? A nice termination animation. Technically the memories don't need to get destroyed, from what we have seen the owners don't even have a way to test the Giftia after it's been terminated. Thinking this way, the Terminal Service is just a ceremony to calm the owners down that their Giftias aren't just tugged away to get repurposed. When in fact SAI corp can do whatever they want with information.

But I'm sure at least one of the squad's members knows what happens when the retrieval deadline is crossed.
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Old 2015-04-05, 07:40   Link #74
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Hmm ... I had never thought the "errors" were a possible indication of the end of her lifetime. Guess it could be, though. My assumption was basically the same as cyth's.
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Old 2015-04-05, 07:42   Link #75
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Sure, it was mentioned, but what do Giftia owners actually see? A nice termination animation. Technically the memories don't need to get destroyed, from what we have seen the owners don't even have a way to test the Giftia after it's been terminated. Thinking this way, the Terminal Service is just a ceremony to calm the owners down that their Giftias aren't just tugged away to get repurposed. When in fact SAI corp can do whatever they want with information.
This comes down to a trust issue. It's not like it doesn't happen on a regular basis in reality. Just to relate an example, big companies most times hand their documents that are to be destroyed to a company that specialises in shredding them. They also have no way to confirm whether those documents are actually shredded, but they still do it. Because they know, the business of the shredding company is dependent on trust. If they lose their customers' trust they can close shop. Likewise, if SAI doesn't actually erase all that info and this gets out someday they can close their doors on the android business.
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Old 2015-04-05, 08:06   Link #76
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This comes down to a trust issue. It's not like it doesn't happen on a regular basis in reality. Just to relate an example, big companies most times hand their documents that are to be destroyed to a company that specialises in shredding them. They also have no way to confirm whether those documents are actually shredded, but they still do it. Because they know, the business of the shredding company is dependent on trust. If they lose their customers' trust they can close shop. Likewise, if SAI doesn't actually erase all that info and this gets out someday they can close their doors on the android business.
In this specific case the problem is that the company is the only one able to create those androids in the first place though.

Facebook for example is notorious for breaking EU data protection law, yet people in the EU still use it.
Google chrome has been found to spy pout your browing field, in the past yet a lot of peoiple still use it.

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Stealth prequel to Blade Runner, calling it now.

The writer better have a damn good reason why the personality data can't be copied.
The memories and peronality files get corrupted over time. -> said early in the episode.
Other than that its probably Big company wants cash.

Its actually pretty close to a real brain.
As time goes on your memories will slowly get foggy.
The problem is that your character and personality are made up from the sum of what you have experienced throughout live.

I suggest playing/reading 'Tesla Effect' on it - it shows what can actually happen if you loose several years worth of memories.
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Old 2015-04-05, 08:28   Link #77
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Was almost entirely being immersed into it . . . until the weirdly placed pee joke killed everything at the end.
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Old 2015-04-05, 10:41   Link #78
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In this specific case the problem is that the company is the only one able to create those androids in the first place though.

Facebook for example is notorious for breaking EU data protection law, yet people in the EU still use it.
Google chrome has been found to spy pout your browing field, in the past yet a lot of peoiple still use it.
Maybe the laws got changed to the point of it being ruinous.

Or thats why the retrival Unit is so small. Highly advanced product but the time limit and iffy data security puts most people off buying them.
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Old 2015-04-05, 10:46   Link #79
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In this specific case the problem is that the company is the only one able to create those androids in the first place though.

Facebook for example is notorious for breaking EU data protection law, yet people in the EU still use it.
Google chrome has been found to spy pout your browing field, in the past yet a lot of peoiple still use it.



The memories and peronality files get corrupted over time. -> said early in the episode.
Other than that its probably Big company wants cash.

Its actually pretty close to a real brain.
As time goes on your memories will slowly get foggy.
The problem is that your character and personality are made up from the sum of what you have experienced throughout live.

I suggest playing/reading 'Tesla Effect' on it - it shows what can actually happen if you loose several years worth of memories.
Doesn't explain how the nice clean number of hours is derived (2^13 * 10). I hope a decent part of the plot will involve the guys uncovering the truth behind the design. One possibility is that they run out of processing power to handle all the accumulated experience and no effective means of sorting/cleanup exist.
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Old 2015-04-05, 11:13   Link #80
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I don't like the idea of copying/transferring old memories to a new android. Such action can lead to security and privacy breach. Can owners really rest assured that there will only be 1 copy made in total? Besides, just like that obaasan said, that kind of treatment will make Giftia nothing short of a mere object. Memories need to be treated with respect.

Anyway, great start for an original story, it surprisingly brought tears to my eyes without me noticing. The end was such a killjoy though.
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