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In later episodes, Hachijou claims to have written the forgeries signed "Itouikukuro Reigonamu", veracity of this claim is not really confirmed. Someone else will need to field the ones relating to Word of God.
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2010-08-28, 10:58 | Link #1002 |
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I think it's pretty hard to clarify the books/episodes. :< A lot hinges on whether or not they (the first two) were written before or after the event on Rokkenjima. If it's before, you could say that all the information about that two day period are really based on some story and hope that Beatrice had in regards to Rokkenjima and felt that whatever hope that was wouldn't be fulfilled on the game board. They perhaps felt that it could only come true if, as a witch, made everyone believe that it came true. Perhaps the story Battler will give in EP8 will show that something more than an illusion came out of these stories, and that the hope Beatrice wrote about was actually fulfilled in some manner. If the stories were written -after- it's curious who actually managed to survive and wrote these particular variations of the events on the island. The stories in this case could actually contain tidbits of information on the true events.
My personal interpretation is leaning more towards the first of these two, which would be an interesting fake-out on Ryukishi's part. Actually it'd be the nastiest bait-and-switch I've ever read. >.> It would be possible to suggest that even though Bern says in red that this story will have no happy ending, that it only applies to the story which was forged out of the bottled messages. The story one Rokkenjima itself may actually unexpectedly be a much different story than the one which Beatrice expected and launched into the sea, and one in which a good ending could be met. |
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*edit* http://community.livejournal.com/witchhunters/7366.html here, nothing new but still. He is also talking about it in... is it anti-mystery vs anti-fantasy? Well, basically by itself the red worth nothing. that's all we know about it. A long time ago it leads me to a theory, saying that the red is not necessarily saying the truth of the gameboard by itself, but is a notice in order to guide Battler to a certain point, which his the truth. Well. I've abandoned this since a long time ago, but I still think that there is a trick with the red itself. He was also ""clear"" about alternative truth... Well... Clear as Ryukishi can be. Alternative truth and, right after, talking about THE truth again. *edit* http://darenome.wordpress.com/2009/0...i07-interview/ right here; when he is talking about the "several possible answers" aspect which exist as well. And nothing else about it after this. He flips the table and talks about the same hint which can lead to the answer in different ways. That's the only time I've read something with Ryukishi talking about alternate truth, personally. Quote:
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2010-08-28, 13:33 | Link #1007 |
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From another newbie here that also tried to analyze the four games but stopped thinking , can you write some hints of your theory in your future post besides the explanation of the theory itself? That can give me the motivation to see things from another PoV and find that "single truth" that I also seek .
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2010-08-28, 14:34 | Link #1009 | |
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I think there's something more to it, because of that epilogue. That book in the coffin and Battler's brief presence at the beginning and end could be a hint, though he didn't really speak of Beatrice at all in the epilogue. Though it might be interesting if his answer to "who killed Beatrice" is somehow different from Will's. Not that I'd fault Will. It's a correct answer, and clearly the one he was intended to reach. But that's my problem with Will generally; he reaches the conclusions he's clearly meant to have been reaching from the start. They follow from the evidence he's been presented, but I sort of feel like he's not as critical of the evidence as he perhaps could be.
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2010-08-28, 15:23 | Link #1011 | |
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It was a question made by Bern for Will concerning a crazy game she created herself by placing in a quantum coexistence two different worlds. This question most probably won't even appear anymore, it born and died with EP7. If I had to tell who really killed Beatrice ignoring Bern's game, then that's Battler. Both in the metaworld and in the real world. Once Yasu lost her will to play the game she created for Battler to solve, Beatrice died. So in that way Battler killed Beatrice.
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2010-08-28, 16:41 | Link #1012 |
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Random minor realisation.
Rudolf was "in elementary school" when the family already lived in the mansion. Mansion was completed in 1952. School in Japan starts at 6 years of age, elementary school continues for six years afterwards. It is therefore not possible for Rudolf to have been born earlier than 1940. He cannot have been younger than 20 at the time of Battler's birth, as he needs to be an adult for that, so latest possible birth year is 1948. Japan was in the war between 1939 and 1945. While in Ep7 Kinzo says he wasn't drafted due to influence of the family elders, he nevertheless volunteered. It is not said exactly when this happened, but generally, birth rate drops during a war not only because many men are drafted, but also because families don't like to raise children in an economically and politically unstable situation, so being born during the war is in itself somewhat doubtful. But the kicker is... That leaves Rudolf only two time windows to be born from Kinzo -- after 1940 but before Kinzo volunteered (so Kinzo went off with the intention to be killed when he just got a third child, the bastard) or after Kinzo was demobilised (no earlier than 1945) but before 1948. Now that time window is definitely while Beatrice Castiglioni was still alive. That's even worse than with Rosa, what gives? Is Rudolf even Kinzo's son?
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I exclude that Rudolf was born in the 45-48 timespan. That would make Rudolf way too young, and from what Kyrie said it appears that Rudolf has been a womanizer for a while before meeting Asumu.
So I think it's more probable that Rudolf was born between 40-44 and that Kinzo only managed to volunteer after a few years Japan was in war. At any rate Rudolf must be Kinzo's son. Else Battler wouldn't be qualified to play Beatrice's game. And please... don't tell me that he's Krauss' son...
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Sorry, no matter how you twist it, something has to be a lie.
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EDIT: And I think I have located the only case of a Western where someone uses a sawed-off rifle. Problem is, it's a TV series on CBS that ran 1958-1961.
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