KanColle - Episode 11 Discussion / Poll

[Ithekro]

The first part would be shipgirls in place of the real ships in Akagi's nightmares.

The rest is the appearances of more recent princesses and oni. More recent ones look a lot like regular shipgirls sunk in those places in history. Though it seems to be two shipgirls that sank are merged into one Abyssal boss type ship/base. Based on appearances.

[Wandering Soul]

Fubuki is supposed to be Akagi's escort and Akagi just decides to her behind. Ending doesn't look good for Kaga or Akagi. But I still have doubts that things will go like some people think it will.

[Kakurin]

Originally Posted by the one above all

Fubuki is supposed to be Akagi's escort and Akagi just decides to her behind. Ending doesn't look good for Kaga or Akagi. But I still have doubts that things will go like some people think it will.

I personally think it's set up for a Fubuki rescue intervention followed by Yamato and the others joining and defeating the Hime and the Wo, saving most of Kidō Butai in the process. Fear that Kitakami's lost though. The explosion from the torpedo hit was really, really big.

[Triple_R]

Excellent episode eleven.

They did a great job of making the visuals and audio appropriately anxious, dramatic, and epic for several key moments in the episode.

Akagi (and friends) battling against fate might honestly be a stroke of genius - It adds some gravitas to the show, while making Akagi a bit more interesting and giving the show a neat meta-level that nonetheless works seamlessly in-canon with the characters and the plot.

The cliffhanger moment couldn't be much better. It was beautifully built up to, and the fade to black while Fubuki screams Akagi's name was a powerful and chilling moment.

I've read this show take a fair bit of criticism, but for whatever flaws it may have, it has a wonderfully theatrical sense of drama and timing. Very gripping and entertaining, at least in this anime-only viewer's eyes and ears.


I suspect that Fubuki will save Akagi, but I'm less confident over them totally avoiding casualties. It'll be interesting to see how things turn out next episode.

[IceHism]

Originally Posted by the one above all

Fubuki is supposed to be Akagi's escort and Akagi just decides to her behind. Ending doesn't look good for Kaga or Akagi. But I still have doubts that things will go like some people think it will.

If they really wanted to make kancolle grim, then they would have just followed history already. I'm pretty sure it's gonna end happily

I do got to say that i'm not sure whether kancolle trying to force itself to have a plot was a good decision on the staff's part.

[FlareKnight]

Yeah, the episode leaves me feeling interested in the result but not sure how interesting the result will be. The fact that they left the consequence for Akagi off screen does give the impression that she'll be fine and the MIA admiral's vision of Fubuki being a glorious savior will come to pass. Not the worst result to be sure, but not as interesting.

It was interesting in a lot of ways though. Akagi fighting against fate was great. She was just trying everything she could, trying to figure out what the danger was and get around it. Just making the best decisions she had.

Did turn into a horrific situation though. A lot of damage all around and looks like Kitakami is dead. Which is sad (she was the more likable of the yuri duo), but does give some weight to what is going on here.

[NorthernFallout]

Well, this was one school of foreshadowing. Seems they went with the "IN YOUR FACE" type. Was very nice to see some more shipgirls animated, though.

I'm very interested to see where they go with all this in E12. While I'd love to see a massacre (huehue) I'm at least hoping for a few sinking, and expecting a happy end. But we'll see.

[Houreki]

Wait!, is Kitakami really dead?

[cloud04]

Originally Posted by Houreki

Wait!, is Kitakami really dead?

didnt say specifically, we can assume that it was that case, it missed, or she's in taiha

[Ithekro]

Ooi spoiled her too much.

That or we are going to find out she's actaully badass when Ooi's not around. She did mention that she and Ooi use to compete to see who got the most kills.

Or we'll be subject to the dead-to-the-world Ooi once the survivors get back. Which is odd since it is usually Kitakami that is the greaving one after Ooi is sunk. Kitakami having survived the war.

Still no Yukikaze.

[Marcus H.]

You know, all this speculation of "who sinks or not" and "are we gonna follow history or not" actually made this series more tense than it actually is, as if the production team already anticipated how people will try to predict the ending.

Will Akagi sink? Will Operation MI be a bust? Are the kanmusu, despite their engines and artillery, merely sailboats carried to their end by the wind called Fate?

Also, why is someone bringing a mysterious set of mission orders in battle?

[Wandering Soul]

Originally Posted by IceHism

If they really wanted to make kancolle grim, then they would have just followed history already. I'm pretty sure it's gonna end happily

I do got to say that i'm not sure whether kancolle trying to force itself to have a plot was a good decision on the staff's part.

Yeah I don't really see a grim ending in store and I'm expecting a happy one.

[FlareKnight]

Originally Posted by the one above all

Yeah I don't really see a grim ending in store and I'm expecting a happy one.

Yeah, kind of hard to be down about this episode with the double Kongou avatars above .

I wouldn't even be surprised if Kongou brings in the cavalry and they charge forward to glory .

[cloud04]

im still curious why the escort didnt come/(maybe late), although it might be coz of what nachi has in her hand

[Triple_R]

Originally Posted by Marcus H.

You know, all this speculation of "who sinks or not" and "are we gonna follow history or not" actually made this series more tense than it actually is, as if the production team already anticipated how people will try to predict the ending.

Will Akagi sink? Will Operation MI be a bust? Are the kanmusu, despite their engines and artillery, merely sailboats carried to their end by the wind called Fate?

Also, why is someone bringing a mysterious set of mission orders in battle?

Exactly. All of this makes the show a bit more suspenseful, which makes it more fun and interesting, in my opinion.

Granted, I get the impression that most of us here expect a happy ending, but at least there's a tiny bit of doubt or uncertain speculation to how everything will turn out. If Kisaragi had never been sunk, and if the show hadn't been as serious as it is (at times), the plot would probably feel more predictable and less suspenseful.

[AC-Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Ithekro

The first part would be shipgirls in place of the real ships in Akagi's nightmares.

The rest is the appearances of more recent princesses and oni. More recent ones look a lot like regular shipgirls sunk in those places in history. Though it seems to be two shipgirls that sank are merged into one Abyssal boss type ship/base. Based on appearances.

What I was referring to is, whether there was some actual text in that regard in the game. I can't read it so I wouldn't know if there was.

[~Yami~]

so... admiral is disappeared to test his luck in crafting Taihou

I like the build-up before MI mission.. having Nagato-Mutsu moment is not bad as well

from this episode, now I learn why carrier can't launch a plane when they are damaged.. so the bow string got cut
I thought Akagi would be a calm person but it seems those death flag dream has affected her too much

I hope Fubuki would save the day and her fleet... there's no way I can watch them sunk (all those kanmusu are my favorite in carrier group 1)
but I really wonder what is happening to the main fleet.. don't tell me...

[chaosprophet]

If Kitakami had died there we would probably have seen at least a sink scene/line. Also it didn't really seems to me that was supposed to shown her getting hit but just showing a big explosion to show how dire their situation is. It also seemed to me that she wasn't really having a hard time, and wanted Ooi help at that moment, in avoiding torpedoes incoming to her, but rather trying to destroy the torpedoes that were targeting the carriers, as their escort.

[Qikz]

Kitakami is clearly not dead, she just can't die. She can't!

Also Fubuki is clearly going to step in and shoot the bombs out of the sky. There's no other reason for her to have trained her AA so hard. What's the point of her getting kai and then stand waiting for Yamato and her huge fuel tanks going slowly to turn up.

I honestly don't think or want anyone to sink. I'm just glad Soryuu and Hiryuu got some lines and so did Tama/Kuma! All that's missing now is Ryuujyou appearing <3

[James Rye]

If nobody would get sunk in the final fight why even bother sinking Kirisaki in the first place? That death in the 3rd episode gave us the thrill of shipgirls death being possible thus there being the possibility to see your favorite die on screen. If Kirisaki remains the sole vicitm then that would feel kind of off.

Given the ending, I think Fubuki returned alone, letting Kongou wait for the Yamato fleet, just in time to aid the main fleet but to late to help Akagi. As we have seen with Shouhou, once a shipgirl burns, that's pretty much it. You can't carry somebody home in your arms who's burning like a forest in Californien.

And no matter how good Fubuki became or how much the Admiral wanted her in the plan due her AA-guns and skills - there is simply no way Fubuki could save Akagi now, not from a dropped torpedo. She would need all the luck of her entire life combinded to land a shot on the torpedo to make it expldoe before it hit Akagi and that from probably quite a distance as well.
I think, Akagi is earning her decision's results. If she had kept Fubuki at her side, then Fubuki would have surely shot down those planes targeting Akagi before they could have dropped the bombs on her. But so, Fubuki cannot do anything, but shout her admiration's name.

So yeah, my money is on Akagi burning, the other shipgirls reuniting and trying to get a hold of the situation and making their stand to possibly saving Akagi. But the Abyssals will give them a hard time and maybe even sink one or two of the shipgirls or at least hurt quite a lot of them in the process to rescue Akagi somehow despite her burning.
Then to avoid further casulties the fleet has to retreat meaning somebody has to sink Akagi because who knows what the Abyssals would do to a captured shipgirl. And well, then the fight is pretty much over once they hit the Yamato fleet who will rekt the Abyssal pursuers. The rest of the episode will be about the grieve of the loss of Akagi and possibly Kitakami as well.

I could be wrong though. :P
Wouldn't liked it much though if we get a happy ending without a single shipgirl going down in the final fight of the 1st season. <.<