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Old 2017-05-15, 08:57   Link #20241
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Set all of them to sortie?


Also fleet setup here(not in order because somehow it seem to auto sort itself).


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I have about 130 screws(if we include all the medals I've saved till now) so I can afford to upgrade somethings.

EDIT: Oh, the reason you didn't see my Egusa and 601 is because I'm afraid they'll de rank so I'm using 2nd tier DBs here. My supports have the top tier ones.

EDIT 2: I can convert my Tomonaga to Tenzan version but I don't want to do it now because I'm afraid I have to rerank them again.
EO provides easy way to share your current fleet either with text or image. Right click the top rectangular which shows the fleet’s name, AP, LoS, etc.

Back to your fleet.
1. Forget FCF.
2. Equip jet if you have. They grant damage multiplier on top of the dive bomber one.
3. The benefit of upgrading Tomonaga to Tenzan probably outweighs deranking.
4. You should use Egusa and Suisei 601 instead of lesser Suisei.
5. I’m pretty sure your Yamato and Musashi are over the parallel firepower cap. Replace a gun with one that provides more accuracy.
6. Squeeze as many bombers into your CV as possible, starting with moving fighters into the slot left by FCF.
7. If your Kasumi is at K2, replace Hatsushimo with her. Even if not, 4n is still a valid reason for replacement.
8. Equip Abukuma with 20.3cm guns if her luck isn’t modded. If modded, equip for TCI.
9. You should consider equipping Kitakami for TCI.
10. You should consider replacing Bismarck or Ooi with Nachi.
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Old 2017-05-15, 10:53   Link #20242
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EO provides easy way to share your current fleet either with text or image. Right click the top rectangular which shows the fleet’s name, AP, LoS, etc.

Back to your fleet.
1. Forget FCF.
2. Equip jet if you have. They grant damage multiplier on top of the dive bomber one.
3. The benefit of upgrading Tomonaga to Tenzan probably outweighs deranking.
4. You should use Egusa and Suisei 601 instead of lesser Suisei.
5. I’m pretty sure your Yamato and Musashi are over the parallel firepower cap. Replace a gun with one that provides more accuracy.
6. Squeeze as many bombers into your CV as possible, starting with moving fighters into the slot left by FCF.
7. If your Kasumi is at K2, replace Hatsushimo with her. Even if not, 4n is still a valid reason for replacement.
8. Equip Abukuma with 20.3cm guns if her luck isn’t modded. If modded, equip for TCI.
9. You should consider equipping Kitakami for TCI.
10. You should consider replacing Bismarck or Ooi with Nachi.
I don't have Nachi.
My Kasumi isn't luck modded though. Will DA deal enough damage with the ammo penalty? Also 37 base luck enough to gamble for TCI? Speaking of which my Kitakami is base luck too.
No jets
I've already squeezed in as many while maintaing AS of 420.
Also what is 4n?

Oh also, I don't understand why my yatei isn't activating reliably. It should have a 67% chance of activation yet most of the time it isn't activated...
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Old 2017-05-15, 11:16   Link #20243
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I don't have Nachi.
My Kasumi isn't luck modded though. Will DA deal enough damage with the ammo penalty? Also 37 base luck enough to gamble for TCI? Speaking of which my Kitakami is base luck too.
No jets
I've already squeezed in as many while maintaing AS of 420.
Also what is 4n?

Oh also, I don't understand why my yatei isn't activating reliably. It should have a 67% chance of activation yet most of the time it isn't activated...
Equip Kasumi for TCI and have her as flagship.
Replace Bismarck's AP shell with searchlight.
Depends on how well (bad, to be precise) this go, you may still need to gamble with a CI Kitakami.
Drop your AP target to 400. You are going through node K instead of N, right?
Long story short, despite Hatsushimo K2 HP is a point higher than Kasumi K2, Kasumi has a better chance of surviving a very high damage shot without being taiha.
And to be frank, I don't think you're prepared for hard difficulty. Too many ships and equipment are missing.
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Old 2017-05-15, 12:01   Link #20244
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Equip Kasumi for TCI and have her as flagship.
Replace Bismarck's AP shell with searchlight.
Depends on how well (bad, to be precise) this go, you may still need to gamble with a CI Kitakami.
Drop your AP target to 400. You are going through node K instead of N, right?
Long story short, despite Hatsushimo K2 HP is a point higher than Kasumi K2, Kasumi has a better chance of surviving a very high damage shot without being taiha.
And to be frank, I don't think you're prepared for hard difficulty. Too many ships and equipment are missing.
I'm going through node N(No one seems to go K ever, even with Kidou). The TAs look less threatening than the BB Hime which can hit me quite hard.


EDIT



THANK YOU SO MUCH PEOPLE!

I used this test fleet to try(didn't see Academus latest post yet). Prinz was sniped but Kitakami did it.

Kidou was the way to go..... I've wasted 40k fuel using Suijou and didn't managed to reach boss.

Time to start clearing quests and upgrading equips so I'm more prepared for next event.


Can anyone provide me useful equips to upgrade?

Thank you Klashikari, Academus and whoever who tried helping me!
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Old 2017-05-15, 12:58   Link #20245
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There isn't really any special equipment to upgrade. On top of my head:

Large caliber guns: Prototype 35.6cm, Prototype 41cm, 16inch, 51cm

Medium caliber: 20.3cm type 3

Small caliber: 10cm + FD

Secondary/AA: OTO, 90mm

Torpedoes: Sextuple prototype, Quintuple Oxygen, Triple Oxyygen (serviceable if you reach dmg cap and need additional armor. Relevant for CA)

Fighters: Type 53 Iwamoto, T21 Veteran, T52 Veteran

Seaplanes: Night scout, Type 2 seaplane fighter. T2 veteran is also an option, although Kyofuu kai is cheaper.

Radars/Sonar: Type 13 kai, Type 3/4 Sonars (note: I don't bother with any other radar because the only AA radar I ever use are either T13 kai for DD or FUMO for Maya/Kasumi. Surface Radar are primarily used for expeditions, which don't benefit from modding at all)

Misc: Type91/Type 1 Shells, Ka-mi Tank
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Old 2017-05-15, 13:44   Link #20246
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THANK YOU SO MUCH PEOPLE!

I used this test fleet to try(didn't see Academus latest post yet). Prinz was sniped but Kitakami did it.

Kidou was the way to go..... I've wasted 40k fuel using Suijou and didn't managed to reach boss.

Time to start clearing quests and upgrading equips so I'm more prepared for next event.


Can anyone provide me useful equips to upgrade?

Thank you Klashikari, Academus and whoever who tried helping me!
Congratulations! The Hayabusa is worth the pain of All Hard Clear.
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Old 2017-05-15, 14:05   Link #20247
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Congratulations! The Hayabusa is worth the pain of All Hard Clear.
Yea but if I went Kidou earlier, I'd have saved at least 20k fuel.......

I decide to have faith in RNG that I can pass troll subs but my retreat rate was still 70%

After 50k down with no progress, I went with Kidou and it proved to be a better choice. 98% boss rate with everyone green.

I'll never put my faith in RNG ever again in regards to evasion from troll subs.

EDIT: What's the best recipe for Taihou? I'm still lacking it before I finish my LSC.

I've seen many people using 4/2/5/5.2/1 but wikiwki lists all as 20 dev mats....

What are the odds of getting her with 1 dev mat?

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There isn't really any special equipment to upgrade. On top of my head:

Large caliber guns: Prototype 35.6cm, Prototype 41cm, 16inch, 51cm

Medium caliber: 20.3cm type 3

Small caliber: 10cm + FD

Secondary/AA: OTO, 90mm

Torpedoes: Sextuple prototype, Quintuple Oxygen, Triple Oxyygen (serviceable if you reach dmg cap and need additional armor. Relevant for CA)

Fighters: Type 53 Iwamoto, T21 Veteran, T52 Veteran

Seaplanes: Night scout, Type 2 seaplane fighter. T2 veteran is also an option, although Kyofuu kai is cheaper.

Radars/Sonar: Type 13 kai, Type 3/4 Sonars (note: I don't bother with any other radar because the only AA radar I ever use are either T13 kai for DD or FUMO for Maya/Kasumi. Surface Radar are primarily used for expeditions, which don't benefit from modding at all)

Misc: Type91/Type 1 Shells, Ka-mi Tank

Oh, wanted to ask: Is it worth upgrading 15.2 red to 15.2 Kai for CLs?
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Old 2017-05-15, 19:47   Link #20248
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Tier 1 (Critical): Iwamoto Zero 53, 10cm+, 91AP, 16", P35.6cm, T3/T4 sonar, 20.3cm #3, Sex/Quint torp

Tier 2 (Essential): P41cm, Zero 21 Skilled, 90mm, 13K air radar, T3 depth charge, OTO

Tier 3 (Nice to have): Jet Keiun, 381mm/50 Kai, 38cm Kai, 21K air radar, seaplanes, daihatsu/tank (essential if lack of WG42)

Keep up to speed with new Kai 2.
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Old 2017-05-15, 20:19   Link #20249
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Oh, wanted to ask: Is it worth upgrading 15.2 red to 15.2 Kai for CLs?
Right now, there isn't any decent incentive to do so.
I've modded 2 to max for sake of "completition" and noticed an accuracy boost with Yahagi equipped with both, but that alone doesn't really make it worth all the screws to upgrade a 15.2 to a 15.2 kai + extra mods, moreso when OTO is way cheaper and give enough accuracy for that.

Alternatively, you can just forgo the accuracy bonus and go with 20.3cm type 3 on them.

These guns would need an additional FP bonus and/or some new mechanics with CL to justify their use over OTO/20.3 3
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Old 2017-05-16, 20:20   Link #20250
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Gotta love it when people show off all their new event ships and then log off while you got them as PVP foe :/
Of course max lv 3 ships...
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Old 2017-05-16, 20:49   Link #20251
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Devs are preparing Nagato Kai Ni now:



I'm assuming this means we'll be getting the K2 sooner rather than later, optimistically perhaps even next week after the post-event maintenance.
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Old 2017-05-16, 21:09   Link #20252
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Devs are preparing Nagato Kai Ni now:

I'm assuming this means we'll be getting the K2 sooner rather than later, optimistically perhaps even next week after the post-event maintenance.
I wonder if Mutsu will also get hers. Time to level my Nagamon then, she's been sitting at lvl 40 since february.
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Old 2017-05-16, 21:16   Link #20253
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Devs are preparing Nagato Kai Ni now:



I'm assuming this means we'll be getting the K2 sooner rather than later, optimistically perhaps even next week after the post-event maintenance.
I still wonder what kind of cannons those are.
Kinda remind me on the Proto 41 Triples with the sandsacks being replaced by steel protections.
Another OP gun incoming?
Also is it just me or do the white parts of her uniform look like abyssal theeth?

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I wonder if Mutsu will also get hers. Time to level my Nagamon then, she's been sitting at lvl 40 since february.
I think Klashikari said another BB is in the K2 works.
Though I kinda doubt it will be at the same time
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Old 2017-05-16, 21:26   Link #20254
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I still wonder what kind of cannons those are.
Kinda remind me on the Proto 41 Triples with the sandsacks being replaced by steel protections.
It's more accurate to say that these are the Prototype 41cm Triple Guns without the sandbags, since the sandbags are usually placed over the steel fences already in place.
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Old 2017-05-16, 22:49   Link #20255
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But will the new turrets bring all the destroyers to the yard?
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Old 2017-05-17, 04:29   Link #20256
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Game, set, match.

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I was actually worried, because I actually expected to be in Last Dance for a while after I got home. Silly me. Kitakami for the win.

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And the Squat Slav herself.

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So this makes this 10 Hard clears so far, though I have to admit, I'm close to hitting my threshold on how much equipment I have to get ready just to be "optimized" for a Hard Clear. Made doubly harder as I don't have time to go out completing everything that gives out screws for +7 or +10 upgraded equipment. And although I was able to clear with the equipment I DID have, I had to do some equipment juggling just to be able to meet some LOS requirements.

People talking about fully upgraded Sextuple torps? +7 Kyofuu? +10 Night Planes? All crazy talk to me.
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Old 2017-05-18, 04:00   Link #20257
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Spoiler for We're done here.:


Spoiler for Добро пожаловать, товарищ Гангут:


Spoiler for Resource status:


Spoiler for Battle log::


BTW I came across this titbit in the Chinese forums, not sure if folks here know about it already. For CTF and STF, a BB can be added to the second fleet if her speed is at least Fast+:

Spoiler for Heck, it's actually true:


Not that this would be helpful though. In the examples above, Musashi had to waste three slots for turbines and stuff to meet the speed requirement. But at least we now know that the 2nd fleet checks for speed instead of ship class when accepting BBs.
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Old 2017-05-18, 04:13   Link #20258
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The Musashi thing might be Photoshopped.
Just check her icon, its showing that she is in the docks(see the crane part) while at full HP.

E/: Actually lemme quick check if this also shows up when changing equipment - still they shouldn't have been able to form the fleet if they still ahd to equip the turbines
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Old 2017-05-18, 04:38   Link #20259
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The Musashi thing might be Photoshopped.
Just check her icon, its showing that she is in the docks(see the crane part) while at full HP.

E/: Actually lemme quick check if this also shows up when changing equipment - still they shouldn't have been able to form the fleet if they still ahd to equip the turbines
No, it's not photoshopped. I took those screenshots myself, at the arsenal (aka changing equipment). The crane does appear on whichever character we click and I don't know how you could have mistaken this for the dock .___.
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Old 2017-05-18, 04:50   Link #20260
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No, it's not photoshopped. I took those screenshots myself, at the arsenal (aka changing equipment). The crane does appear on whichever character we click and I don't know how you could have mistaken this for the dock .___.
3 Factors:
Never really looking at the portraits, Musashi not being Kaied striking me odd, tired
my bad sorry.
Thats why I said I have to check for the equip change totally forgot about it though because I was in a 4-5 sortie :/
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