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10 out of 10: Near Perfect... | 5 | 15.63% | |
9 out of 10: Excellent... | 11 | 34.38% | |
8 out of 10: Very Good... | 7 | 21.88% | |
7 out of 10: Good... | 6 | 18.75% | |
6 out of 10: Average... | 2 | 6.25% | |
5 out of 10: Below Average... | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10: Poor... | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10: Bad... | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10: Very Bad... | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10: Torturous... | 1 | 3.13% | |
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2012-08-20, 00:57 | Link #101 | |
Goat Herder
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So let's hope he considers his son and grandson's words very carefully.
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2012-08-20, 01:04 | Link #102 |
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I just watched the episode and my reactions were:
1. The episode, at least for me, is very good despite the lack of mobile suite action. 2. Flit Asuno, despite having a family, is a very unhappy man deep inside. Even with his madness, i actually pity him for not moving one. It was a very sad scene for me when he remembers all those who had fallen. He even remembers the guy from the fardain arc of which the name i can't remember. 3. For Asemu and Kio, of course they oppose Flit but they have different experience with Vagans and actually views them as humans unlike Flit. But yeah, i don't support what Flit wants to happen and i don't know I got a feeling that Flit will die in the end. 4. Zeheart VS SID, yeah I hope He doesn't defeat it :P 5. Am I the only one who wants to see a match between the Greatest Pilot of Vagan and the Super Pirate Pilot? )
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Last edited by gundamdrawer; 2012-08-20 at 01:05. Reason: I accidentally typed Zeheart vs Flit instead of Zeheart vs SID :P |
2012-08-20, 01:05 | Link #104 | |
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Also it took him some 20+years to figure out how to make the Vagan MS not self destruct and capture one, so yeah assuming that he knows exactly so much about the capabilities of the Ghirarga down to an X-Transmitter Bit system which he has no experience of until now (Yurin's machine does NOT use the same bits as Ghirarga) in mere days are actually very unlikely and it should be you to go back and watch the show again.
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2012-08-20, 01:07 | Link #106 | |
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2012-08-20, 01:13 | Link #107 |
seiyuu maniac
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What does seeing the data of the X-Transmitter in action has in relations to knowing that it was fried in that particular situation?
All he can determine from the AGE-3 data is fighting capability of the system, not how or when it can be overloaded or stops working. You guys are seriously jumping to conclusions. And again which part of him taking 20+ years to actually know how to capture a Vagan MS shows that Flit is mechanical-know all god that can understand everything in a few days? It in fact shows exactly the opposite that Flit doesn't know that much about Vagan tech and that even as smart as he is still takes him PLENTY of time to figure out how it works.
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2012-08-20, 01:18 | Link #108 |
Goat Herder
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Okay.
I'm going to put this in simple terms so you'll understand them. The X-Transmitter, when in use, expands out from the mobile suit from six points. Six very visible points, on the left arm, right arm, left leg, right leg, left wing, and right wing. They glow and shit when they're emitting particles. This is a phenonenon--this is a thing--that can easily be seen on recordings and the like. They can't do this if they're blown to hell and removed entirely. Now, Flit's an intelligent man. He builds Gundams and exterminates Vagans and doesn't afraid of anything. Being such a bright old man, he can easily put two and two together and know that when the X-Transmitters are blown off the Ghirarga, it can't use the X-Transmitter to create particle bits for use in combat. So in a battle, when he sees the Ghirarga wrecked, with both arms destroyed, both wings destroyed, and at least one leg destroyed, he'll clearly see that the Ghirarga is in no shape to fight back anymore. Thus, with the magic power of recordings and AGE System data for review, Flit can see broken Ghirarga not able to use bits and shoot it. Simple.
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2012-08-20, 01:23 | Link #109 | |
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Flawless logic. Besides, last I checked, knowing how something works wasn't required to see when it's been blown off.
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2012-08-20, 01:47 | Link #111 |
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I think this episode pushes Flit much closer to "genocidal", with his exhortation that the Vagan prisoners be executed, but the interesting question to me is what Flit would do when confronted with Vagan civilians. After all, he has only ever interacted with Vagan military personnel, and Kio himself only comes to his "understanding" position after interacting with Vagan civilians.
And for what it's worth, whether the Ghirarga had the ability to fight back is immaterial to whether Flit was justified in targeting it, at least from a "laws of war" perspective (as exist in our world). It would only be a war crime if Zeheart had completed the act of surrender and Flit felt that he he could safely accept the surrender without risk to himself. In any other situation, it would be a legal (and a smart) kill. Otherwise, if the rule were one could only target an enemy that had the ability to immediately threaten harm, then most aerial bombings would be considered war crimes, which is obviously not the case. Similarly, targeting those bombers after they had dropped their ordinance would also be a war crime, since they are "retreating" and unable to offer further resistance. Apparently the cease fire didn't apply to the mobile suits outside the base, since Zeheart and Fram did not surrender, as per the terms of the agreement. On the other hand, if the cease fire agreement did apply to Zeheart and Fram, they violated it by refusing to surrender, and were therefore fair game. |
2012-08-20, 01:53 | Link #112 |
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technically speaking Zeheart and Fram were breaking the cease fire because the officers were supposed to stay as prisoners...They didn't know that though and flit trying to shoot them in the back is still a dick move on his part. They had no intention of fighting and at that point it was no longer kill or be killed for him.
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2012-08-20, 01:56 | Link #113 | |
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Either way, firing a shot when a cease fire has been ordered could've renewed the battle and undermined their successful capture of the Moon base. So Flit would still have made a wrong move. |
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2012-08-20, 07:14 | Link #116 | |
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Either way, it still doesn't mean Flit could just start firing. |
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2012-08-20, 09:23 | Link #118 | |
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I also don't think Flit's attempt to target Zeheart really moves Flit's "genocidal needle" one way or another, not like his comment in this episode about executing the Vagan prisoners and his statement that Vagan are essentially subhuman. The key question for me is how far is Flit willing to go to act on his beliefs. Would he destroy Second Moon even if it was entirely civilian? Does he believe in proportionality? Could he ever agree to a peace with Vagan? If anything, I would hope that allowing Zeheart and Fram to escape comes back to affect Kio, probably for ill. Seric mentioned to Kio earlier that his policy of not killing Vagan would have consequences, and it will be interesting if Kio is faced with a situation where Fram or Zeheart kills someone Kio cares about, who would have lived had Kio allowed Flit to pull the trigger. |
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2012-08-20, 09:56 | Link #119 | ||
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Yeah, your logic is flawless. /s Quote:
You and Rising Dragon are arguing that Flit could tell just from the outside that the X-Transmitter was blown, when I'm sure that not even in the MS specs of the models the designer has even specify where the heck that transmitter is. You and Rising Dragon is only assuming that the back part which was blown off is the X-Transmitter, where in fact it is the binder unit.
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2012-08-20, 10:56 | Link #120 | ||
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That said, whenever the X-Transmitter is in use and spewing out particle bits, the large blade-like pieces for it are jutting outside of the machine and glowing and spewing out the aforementioned particle bits. It's a visible process. And if we, a bunch of modern-day uneducated Earther pissants can see this, so can Flit. He had at the very least 3 months to review the data they had on the Ghirarga's space battle where it displayed the first usage of the X-Transmitter. And really it's not that difficult to figure out if you blow away the large blade pieces producing the particle bits, it can't produce more particle bits. Quote:
IS IN THE BINDER UNIT. HOW MANY TIMES MUST I REPEAT THIS. EDIT: Look! This is an image of Ghirarga in Mode X--namely, Ghirarga with the X-Transmitter deployed. Note how part of the X-Transmitter's actual transmitters is jutting up out from the wing binder unit you keep talking about. Now, what seems to be missing here? Oh, right. The wing binder unit.
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