Fate/stay night Episode 16 Discussion thread

[iamandragon]

Originally Posted by Mirtual

Rider would be a rogue if you ask me. Mostly sneak attack, agile, but can't really take damage and is more agi based then strengh.
Archer would be a fighter, wouldn't he? With some weapon specialisation, focusing on rather light and fast weapons.
BTW, what is this class thing all about?

I think apart from the weapon the servents actually use in their human form(I use human form because past, history and life are all inappropiate words...), their personality and tales does make a difference. For example Archer. He only used his bow once and even though he's not using one properly?!(He shot a sword not an arrow!) Weapon wise, he's really unfit to be one, saber class would fit him if you look at his weapon only. However the way Archer acts...self centered, unwilling to co-operate, cool minded all fits the way of an archer acts. And thus making him one.

btw Archer doesn't focus on light and fast weapons. (in fact all his weapons don't weight...)He doesn't have pros and cons when using a weapon. All weapons he summons are famous ones, and once he grabs one he automatically gain the skill needed to wield them. That's a bonus from UBW...

If you have done some basic research you'll know there're 7 types of servents who participate in the Holy Grail War...and we distinguish them in classes:

Saber
Lancer
Archer
Beserker
Rider
Caster
Assassin

And Saber is of the saber class(...really...*sweats*)
Of all classes Saber has the best basic affinity: Great magic resistance and instinct with high mana, swift and have no significant weakness, and the most royal servent out of all(least being Caster, who can even kill their own master...)

Anyways...to talk about whoose classes doesn't make sense...It's rider...She doesn't use a lance or knight sword like a cavalry/knight do, follows no code of conduct, and worse of all...

Spoiler:

Medusa riding a peagus?! Hello? Wasn't peagus born AFTER your head is cut off? How are you able to ride something that appears only when you're dead?

[kamikazex]

Originally Posted by iamandragon

Anyways...to talk about whoose classes doesn't make sense...It's rider...She doesn't use a lance or knight sword like a cavalry/knight do, follows no code of conduct, and worse of all...

Spoiler:

Medusa riding a peagus?! Hello? Wasn't peagus born AFTER your head is cut off? How are you able to ride something that appears only when you're dead?

lol frikking good point
how'd that happen

[PhantomX]

Originally Posted by iamandragon

Anyways...to talk about whoose classes doesn't make sense...It's rider...She doesn't use a lance or knight sword like a cavalry/knight do, follows no code of conduct, and worse of all...

Spoiler:

Medusa riding a peagus?! Hello? Wasn't peagus born AFTER your head is cut off? How are you able to ride something that appears only when you're dead?

I joined JUST to respond to this

Spoiler:

I think that's the whole point with the stabbing of the neck and crazy oozing or blood.

[kamikazex]

Originally Posted by PhantomX

I joined JUST to respond to this

Spoiler:

I think that's the whole point with the stabbing of the neck and crazy oozing or blood.

wow that would work too

[PhantomX]

Yeah, at first I didn't know what the heck was going on ... but after I spoiled myself and saw the phantasm, it made more sense o__O

[gammaoh]

Yeah, it makes more sense now...

But still, Rider remains strange to me. I mean "unfit" for this class.

However, I won't complain on the other class.

Where are you, my golden clad friend?

[andiyar]

Originally Posted by gammaoh

I fully agree. I was just referring to the sword you have to fight with. Otherwise, you are completely right.

Ah, I see. Well, blame my sleep deprived state for being just a tad slow at that point.

I wonder, somewhat, how we managed to move from episode 16 to D&D so effortlessly. Amusing, though. ^_^

you seem pretty aware of French and European culture (somewhat more than I am, which is a shame since I'm French), is that what you study or is it just an interest?

Not in any formal sense, no. I'm technically a geneticist-in-waiting, and a writer-in-training. Basically, I've spent a large part of the past few years studying both genetic engineering and creative writing/literature. I've pretty much finished the genetics (just wrapping up some molecular bio), and will finish the writing degree next year.

History, especially ancient and religious history, has indeed always been an interest of mine - as has the history of the crusades and medieval Europe. And when you write a lot of varied stuff, you tend to build up a relatively... big... grounding in a lot of varied subjects. And studying literature and context of a lot of classical literature helps a lot too. As does (for other things) being a Graeco-Roman history/mythology nut. ^_^


-Andiyar

[iamandragon]

Originally Posted by PhantomX

I joined JUST to respond to this

Spoiler:

I think that's the whole point with the stabbing of the neck and crazy oozing or blood.

*Sweats*
I see...I thought she's using her blood as a prize to play in order to summon the power needed to hold back Saber so they can escape...

[gammaoh]

Not in any formal sense, no. I'm technically a geneticist-in-waiting, and a writer-in-training. Basically, I've spent a large part of the past few years studying both genetic engineering and creative writing/literature. I've pretty much finished the genetics (just wrapping up some molecular bio), and will finish the writing degree next year.

History, especially ancient and religious history, has indeed always been an interest of mine - as has the history of the crusades and medieval Europe. And when you write a lot of varied stuff, you tend to build up a relatively... big... grounding in a lot of varied subjects. And studying literature and context of a lot of classical literature helps a lot too. As does (for other things) being a Graeco-Roman history/mythology nut. ^_^

Good luck for your degree then I'm myself still studying economics and management.

I do admire your culture. I read quite a lot of classic litterature myself, but not really the medieval litterature which is not so studied even in French class (or some myths/folkloric songs, like "La chanson de Roland" ~ the song of Roland). But I clearly do not know enough about chivalry (I do know more about samurai lol).

I see that you're also a Graeco-Roman mythology nut . Good to see. I love this mythology of course (but I always use the Greek names, I'm sure you can guess why). Also, I've read Gilgamesh Epic a month ago. It's pretty much like Homer's Iliad, but older, and from Babylon. I'm sure you'll like this. If you haven't read it already.

[kamikazex]

thats alot of in-dept anaysis..

[KiNA]

@_@ I'm lost in the discussion @_@

[Alu]

Originally Posted by Kira_Naruto

@_@ I'm lost in the discussion @_@

The Golden Clad guy has yet to appear.., Archer and Shirou haven't fought yet either.., that's all you need to know.. :P

[Xellos-_^]

Originally Posted by Alu

The Golden Clad guy has yet to appear.., Archer and Shirou haven't fought yet either.., that's all you need to know.. :P

We haven't seen Darth Vader either or Caster cute elven ears.

[Alu]

Originally Posted by Xellos-_^

We haven't seen Darth Vader either or Caster cute elven ears.

I still have my doubts if "Darth Vader" will appear..., with so much yet left to be shown.., I think it will probably be cut out..

Caster will definitly show her ears though.., probably in the next episode or when she has to deal with a more challenging fight then when she fought Rider.
Either way.., I just want my Archer vs Shirou fight and I will be happy

[kamikazex]

i'd be happy if they made a season 2 or lots of ovas

[iamandragon]

Originally Posted by kamikazex

i'd be happy if they made a season 2 or lots of ovas

I'll prefer OVA

[Darkside]

Unlimited Ova Works?

[Shiroth]

Originally Posted by kamikazex

i'd be happy if they made a season 2 or lots of ovas

With the way of how the anime's bring in parts of the three scenarios together, i think anything after the anime would just be pointless.

Well.. if they wanted to make new stories.

[PGilis]

I was thinking about the differences between the two swords of Saber, Caliburn and Excalibur. If i remember well, Excalibur is the sword of power, and Caliburn the sword of victory, right?

If i'm right, basically Excalibur's hit = massive destruction; Caliburn's hit = instant death/defeat/K.O.?

So, in a way, Caliburn is not very different than, let's say, Lancer's Gae Bulg or - even worse - Shiki Tohno [Tsukihime]'s eyes of death (he killed all the Nero Chaos' 666 lives with just one hit). What do you guys think?

[iamandragon]

There're two versions about Excalibur and Caliburn
One saying they're the same.

Another is saying Excalibur being the sword given to Arthur by the fairy, while Caliburn is the sword which chose the king.

Caliburn doesn't = instant death/defeat/K.O. in the anime, it's just another overpowered weapon created by the author to make sure the story follows the way he wants so. Let's say...Excalibur=beam cannon and Caliburn=bug

Gae BOlg, don't spell it wrong. Anyways...gae bolg is different. It doesn't pack as much power as either Excalibur or Caliburn. It's just a spear which carries a powerful curse which can twist fate.
Who's Shiki Tohno? I don't remember such character in F/SN...?